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If it's an injury with a 6-12 week recovery time frame or something like that then sitting the last game wouldn't make much of a difference. He doesn't move, shoot, or attack with the puck like he normally does. Watching him on the ice loosely reminds me of fat Boeser in previous years who just couldn't move his body in pace with his brain. I could be convinced that just the hesitance to attack is "lack of confidence" or some other enigmatic reason but not the rest, I'll be shocked if it comes out he's healthy.I don't know. That doesn't really add up though, If he was injured, you would have expected him to have sat the last game like all the other injured players.
Plus, this is the second time in his career he's had an multi-month period of time where he has played terribly the first one being a couple of years ago. And during the first time, his play was excused by many on account of an undisclosed injury but all the while the team and Petterson continued to deny that he had any injury.
Agreed that his even strength linemates are not very good. But Pettersson also looks bad on the powerplay where he plays with the teams best players.
Hockey players are dumb when it comes to injuries and in general can't think past their desire to play the next game.I really cant think of any injury that coudn't be made worse by playing through it.
bruises and stuff sure no prob
but anything structural or torn it'd be easy to make it more severe
lets say this is the cause. and if they finish the series tommorow. a week of rest will help him imo. but will probably hold surgery If serious until after playoffs are over.I bet it's probably a groin thing or sports hernia.
I don’t know how you can confidently say his struggles aren’t physical because they certainly look physical. He’s barely shooting the puck despite having one of the best shots on the team. He’s struggled since like February, this is not a mental playoff issue.Painful listening to and reading all these excuses. everybody is banged up
At least the core group here has pretty much all shown that they are unfazed by playoff hockey unlike the entitled group of whiny soft Leafs core
Pettersson cares he will figure it out. It's mental not physical other than the fact he's struggling with being worn down he's physically weak and overmatched in puck battles.
He's not gonna be able to change his stature overnight but he can get back to the cat and mouse quick strike transition game he excels at and recapture his confidence in his stick handling and shot.
He's barely shot for the last FIVE YEARS. Outside of the bubble run, his clapper was really only an early rookie season thing. Ever since it's been a sporadic blip on the radar.I don’t know how you can confidently say his struggles aren’t physical because they certainly look physical. He’s barely shooting the puck despite having one of the best shots on the team. He’s struggled since like February, this is not a mental playoff issue.
FFS i've heard for over a month he's had a bad wrist yet is taking face offs.I don’t know how you can confidently say his struggles aren’t physical because they certainly look physical. He’s barely shooting the puck despite having one of the best shots on the team. He’s struggled since like February, this is not a mental playoff issue.
You said “it’s mental not physical.”FFS i've heard for over a month he's had a bad wrist yet is taking face offs.
He hasn't missed a game. He's killing penalties
They could have rested him before the playoffs.....it's bullshit he's banged up who cares so is everybody
And i did say they were physical. He's just not playing his game and is trying to work his way out of it by playing like someone and something he's not which is exposing his weaknesses.
NFL NHL nobody gets to the end of a season and is 100%. It's a marathon not a sprint
Look at Hughes last game with the ribs and double teams leaving Nyquist in his dust and keeping that play alive. Just gotta bury the excuses and play.
One answer needed to the question. Are you in? ....and it's not yes but....it's just yes or no
I really cant think of any injury that coudn't be made worse by playing through it.
bruises and stuff sure no prob
but anything structural or torn it'd be easy to make it more severe
And followed that with...."other than the fact he's struggling with being worn down he's physically weak and overmatched in puck battles".You said “it’s mental not physical.”
I don’t think this all-or-nothing, black and white approach is very sensical here, seems to abandon all nuance. We’ve seen the impact that injuries can have on playoff warriors like Kesler in 2011.
If it's an injury with a 6-12 week recovery time frame or something like that then sitting the last game wouldn't make much of a difference. He doesn't move, shoot, or attack with the puck like he normally does. Watching him on the ice loosely reminds me of fat Boeser in previous years who just couldn't move his body in pace with his brain. I could be convinced that just the hesitance to attack is "lack of confidence" or some other enigmatic reason but not the rest, I'll be shocked if it comes out he's healthy.
With the other slump, there's enough context now in hindsight to automatically dismiss about 75% of it. I'm still not sure what to make of the remainder but I don't think its related to what we're seeing now.
Ya, but he's also not moving his feet, and he's not dangling players either. The list of things Pettersson isn't doing that he has done in the past is quite long and hard to attribute to just one injury.I don’t know how you can confidently say his struggles aren’t physical because they certainly look physical. He’s barely shooting the puck despite having one of the best shots on the team. He’s struggled since like February, this is not a mental playoff issue.
He looks exactly like he did a couple of years ago. And two years ago, he snapped out of it mid-season.
And if he has an injury, what's the injury? He isn't shooting well, he isn't skating well and he isn't passing well. He's not even putting in a consistent effort at times (see the lackluster backcheck on the Nashville's open net attempt that went off the post). So, does he have wrist injury and a leg injury?
And plus, many players play through injuries, especially through the playoffs. This isn't something unique to Pettersson. Like, Hughes is clearly playing through an injury, but he's still finding a way to contribute.
At some point you need to apply Occam's razors and just accept that there is a reasonable chance that Pettersson is just a streaky player that plays really well when he's on but is also pretty bad when he's off.
Ya, but he's also not moving his feet, and he's not dangling players either. The list of things Pettersson isn't doing that he has done in the past is quite long and hard to attribute to just one injury.
IIRC, he's been taping his wrist a long time, including last year, so its hard to know if this means much.
Its hard to imagine he has such a debilitating injury, to his leg or hip, both the last half of this season, and the first half of the 2021-2022 season, but yet he played through it the whole time in each case....and that he healed fully mid-way through the 2021-2022 season (notwithstanding continuing to play) where he took off and was dominant. It also doesn't really explain his passing which also hasn't been as good as he is capable of.A lot of upper leg injuries affect everything. If he’s having trouble in the hips/groin he wouldn’t be able to torque his upper body properly for shots, and can also affect how he’s handling and passing the puck.
Its hard to imagine he has such a debilitating injury, to his leg or hip, both the last half of this season, and the first half of the 2021-2022 season, but yet he played through it the whole time in each case....and that he healed fully mid-way through the 2021-2022 season (notwithstanding continuing to play) where he took off and was dominant. It also doesn't really explain his passing which also hasn't been as good as he is capable of.
EDIT: to add to this, if Pettersson has had such a debilitating injury since basically the trade deadline its hard to imagine that he wouldn't have been put on the IR and given a chance to heal given that the Canucks had all but locked up a playoff spot months ago.
Its hard to imagine he has such a debilitating injury, to his leg or hip, both the last half of this season, and the first half of the 2021-2022 season, but yet he played through it the whole time in each case....and that he healed fully mid-way through the 2021-2022 season (notwithstanding continuing to play) where he took off and was dominant. It also doesn't really explain his passing which also hasn't been as good as he is capable of.
Yes, if this was the case surely they would have LTIR'ed him and given themselves much more flexibility at the deadline.
Also if he was hurt, we'd know about it. It's come out a couple times that Boeser was carrying a knock of some sort to close out the season. Same with Hronek. If their $11 million superstar player was taking all kinds of heat while playing hurt, the organization would let some stuff leak. Or it would have just come out organically.
Has he been battling this injury for the last three plus months? Seems unlikely to me.It could affect passing because, like with a shot, a lot of your power is generated in torquing your upper body, and if you can’t rotate your upper body as well as usual, your accuracy can be off as well. He’s also a guy who kind of needs to create space for his passing. He’s not a great pure passer like Henrik or a big body guy who can hold off defenders to make a pass. If he’s not creating space because his skating and shooting are off, that would hurt his passing ability.
I do agree that he likely doesn’t have a debilitating injury that affects all these things, but I do think he’s likely battling something and he seems like a guy who either struggles mentally when that happens and/or he needs to be at his best in all areas to be great and can’t seem to adjust his game as well as other stars.
If he was injured he would have sat for Game 82. He's not injured.
This is exactly how he looked for the first half of 21-22 and he wasn't injured then, either.
This team played Mikheyev through a serious injury despite not being particularly close to making the playoffs. I don’t know if common sense and logic can apply if a player chooses to play through an injury.Yes, if this was the case surely they would have LTIR'ed him and given themselves much more flexibility at the deadline.
Also if he was hurt, we'd know about it. It's come out a couple times that Boeser was carrying a knock of some sort to close out the season. Same with Hronek. If their $11 million superstar player was taking all kinds of heat while playing hurt, the organization would let some stuff leak. Or it would have just come out organically.
Painful listening to and reading all these excuses. everybody is banged up
At least the core group here has pretty much all shown that they are unfazed by playoff hockey unlike the entitled group of whiny soft Leafs core
Pettersson cares he will figure it out. It's mental not physical other than the fact he's struggling with being worn down he's physically weak and overmatched in puck battles.
He's not gonna be able to change his stature overnight but he can get back to the cat and mouse quick strike transition game he excels at and recapture his confidence in his stick handling and shot.