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Post-Game Talk: Pens @ Rangers - Garden of Dreams Night
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Because now we have 4 days off and it sucks?
And it's never a bad time to say Glass sucks? Which he does?
He ruined the 4th line last night. Again.
there is very little offensive zone time when glass is on that line. at least thus far. he can't hold on to pucks and work a cycle. we are usually defending when his line is on the ice.
very different when miller was on that line with moore and fast
AV is saving face here with his comments yesterday. he's trying to sell everyone on glass because its obvious it was his call to blow out dorsett/carcillo and bring glass in
he wants to be right on him and in some ways he is. he is a guy that pks fights and finishes his checks north and south player. thing is in this system rolling 4 lines and trying to be a possession team glass doesn't really fit at all.
very different when miller was on that line with moore and fast
AV is saving face here with his comments yesterday. he's trying to sell everyone on glass because its obvious it was his call to blow out dorsett/carcillo and bring glass in
he wants to be right on him and in some ways he is. he is a guy that pks fights and finishes his checks north and south player. thing is in this system rolling 4 lines and trying to be a possession team glass doesn't really fit at all.
The context to the Rangers-Pens post game is that there is 4 days off and it sucks? Just want to be sure I get it.
And Glass somehow ruined the 4th line? You certainly have the right to complain about whatever you want to, but the issues with this team lie 99.9% someplace else.
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Yeah, Glass did ruin the 4th line.
The 4th line being horrible is actually a huge problem. It forces offensive players to take defensive zone starts when they shouldn't have to.
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The 4th line is more important than .1% of the team. Last year everyone from opponents, to opposing coaches, to our team and our coaches and all pundits were saying one of the main reasons for the Rangers' success was a great 4th line and the ability to roll all 4 lines.
Huge goal in 1st period of game 7 vs Pittsburgh, only goal in game 6 vs montreal. Not to mention how many times they kept the opposing team pinned in their own zone. This 4th line is nothing like last years' and that's a big problem.
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It is. I thought the Miller-Moore-Fast line was good. I am hoping they go back to that
pjr378
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I don't see the logic behind a system where your two defensemen vacate the area in front of the net to chase after players behind it. Especially that our Dmen aren't particularly quick or strong. I mean, leave the front of the net and there's a good chance you'll have opponents alone...in front of the net?
My guess when Kreider comes back
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Miller-Step-MSL
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My point is that it is the not nearly as much of an issue is not being able to clear the puck or preventing Malkin from walking in with no one looking at him. It is also not the main reason that this team is mediocre.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend I know what the **** is going on in AV's man-to-man defense. Even watching it for two seasons now, I don't know what the hell is supposed to happen
I do know that type of goal has happened way too much this season. That our defensemen continue to chase behind the net and leave guys open in front way too much. This leads me to believe that forward help is expected in the crease.
The goal was quite similar to the one everyone on here lynched Kreider for. For leaving the front of the net and giving the opposition the crease. But now this play is Girardi's fault? Not trying to sound as if I'm accusing anyone of anything, just generally confused. When is it the forwards responsibility to cover the crease, and when is it the d-mans?
(this is a frame before the pass is made to Malkin)
Either way, Miller and G are both in no-man's land. We're double-teaming a useless guy behind the net, and we have 5 in the frame to Pittsburgh's three. A devastatingly poor effort on D.
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So what? We can't discuss it because there's a bigger issue at hand?
And it's a very large reason.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend I know what the **** is going on in AV's man-to-man defense. Even watching it for two seasons now, I don't know what the hell is supposed to happen
I do know that type of goal has happened way too much this season. That our defensemen continue to chase behind the net and leave guys open in front way too much. This leads me to believe that forward help is expected in the crease.
The goal was quite similar to the one everyone on here lynched Kreider for. For leaving the front of the net and giving the opposition the crease. But now this play is Girardi's fault? Not trying to sound as if I'm accusing anyone of anything, just generally confused. When is it the forwards responsibility to cover the crease, and when is it the d-mans?
(this is a frame before the pass is made to Malkin)
Either way, Miller and G are both in no-man's land. We're double-teaming a useless guy behind the net, and we have 5 in the frame to Pittsburgh's three. A devastatingly poor effort on D.
I feel like, ideally, the system forms sort of a rotating wheel of defenders in the zone to keep opponents to the outside, but it can leave openings in the slot.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend I know what the **** is going on in AV's man-to-man defense. Even watching it for two seasons now, I don't know what the hell is supposed to happen
I do know that type of goal has happened way too much this season. That our defensemen continue to chase behind the net and leave guys open in front way too much. This leads me to believe that forward help is expected in the crease.
The goal was quite similar to the one everyone on here lynched Kreider for. For leaving the front of the net and giving the opposition the crease. But now this play is Girardi's fault? Not trying to sound as if I'm accusing anyone of anything, just generally confused. When is it the forwards responsibility to cover the crease, and when is it the d-mans?
(this is a frame before the pass is made to Malkin)
Either way, Miller and G are both in no-man's land. We're double-teaming a useless guy behind the net, and we have 5 in the frame to Pittsburgh's three. A devastatingly poor effort on D.
Miller may be in no-man's land, but at least he's skating in the right direction. Girardi looks really aimless right there. You could argue either way on whether Miller is blowing that coverage, but Girardi is clearly doing something horribly wrong.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend I know what the **** is going on in AV's man-to-man defense. Even watching it for two seasons now, I don't know what the hell is supposed to happen
I do know that type of goal has happened way too much this season. That our defensemen continue to chase behind the net and leave guys open in front way too much. This leads me to believe that forward help is expected in the crease.
The goal was quite similar to the one everyone on here lynched Kreider for. For leaving the front of the net and giving the opposition the crease. But now this play is Girardi's fault? Not trying to sound as if I'm accusing anyone of anything, just generally confused. When is it the forwards responsibility to cover the crease, and when is it the d-mans?
(this is a frame before the pass is made to Malkin)
Either way, Miller and G are both in no-man's land. We're double-teaming a useless guy behind the net, and we have 5 in the frame to Pittsburgh's three. A devastatingly poor effort on D.
Freakin mind-boggling. We out-number them 5 to 3 and they have the only player in front of the net.
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Concerning that frame above you can see the whole play here at about the 10:20 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qQZ_ZK9fA
It's a whole series of events that leads to it, but my take, McD gets beat in the neutral zone, Girardi comes over to cover for him ends up behind the net swinging around, both MSL and McD were trying to get the puck(already scrambling), they both missed, Sutter picked it up, Stepan unwisely releases from Malkin, by the time Miller and Girardi react it's too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qQZ_ZK9fA
It's a whole series of events that leads to it, but my take, McD gets beat in the neutral zone, Girardi comes over to cover for him ends up behind the net swinging around, both MSL and McD were trying to get the puck(already scrambling), they both missed, Sutter picked it up, Stepan unwisely releases from Malkin, by the time Miller and Girardi react it's too late.
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That was a goofy goal. IIRC Hank made the initial save but didn't control the puck. It looked like it was heading behind the net, at which point St. Louis & McDonagh headed there. But it bounced on Comeau's skate or something and went instead to the side, along the goal line, where Suter was.
At this point McD and StL were useless. They were blocked out of the play, behind the net, where the puck wasn't, by Comeau.
Meanwhile, ahead of that action, Girardi had taken a turn behind the net and come out the other side. But he wasn't quick enough/aware enough to go straight to Malkin.
Stepan had gone to the front of the net, but when the puck went to Suter Step went to cover him. But he did not stop Suter's pass to Malkin.
Miller was the last guy in. I don't know what his responsibility is in that situation. Should he have been aware that Malkin was unmarked and gone straight there?
The Pens managed to have everything work for them in the few seconds around that goal. That's hockey.
Probably the most culpable Rangers were Girardi (since he didn't get right back to the front of the net) and one of McDonagh/St.Louis (since they both didn't need to chase the puck behind the net).
I'd like to think that as the Rangers get more familiar with each other they'll handle these situations better. Again, this is one of those deals where Stralman's calm might have helped. Instead of running around off to the side and around the back, our guys would have been better served to hold position in front of the net.
Edit: It looks like Girardi took the path behind the net because he had gone to challenge the initial shot by Suter. And the puck went from St. Louis's stick to Suter, not off Comeau's skate.
At this point McD and StL were useless. They were blocked out of the play, behind the net, where the puck wasn't, by Comeau.
Meanwhile, ahead of that action, Girardi had taken a turn behind the net and come out the other side. But he wasn't quick enough/aware enough to go straight to Malkin.
Stepan had gone to the front of the net, but when the puck went to Suter Step went to cover him. But he did not stop Suter's pass to Malkin.
Miller was the last guy in. I don't know what his responsibility is in that situation. Should he have been aware that Malkin was unmarked and gone straight there?
The Pens managed to have everything work for them in the few seconds around that goal. That's hockey.
Probably the most culpable Rangers were Girardi (since he didn't get right back to the front of the net) and one of McDonagh/St.Louis (since they both didn't need to chase the puck behind the net).
I'd like to think that as the Rangers get more familiar with each other they'll handle these situations better. Again, this is one of those deals where Stralman's calm might have helped. Instead of running around off to the side and around the back, our guys would have been better served to hold position in front of the net.
Edit: It looks like Girardi took the path behind the net because he had gone to challenge the initial shot by Suter. And the puck went from St. Louis's stick to Suter, not off Comeau's skate.
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Not my point at all. You can discuss whatever you fee like.
So the 4th line is a very large reason this team is mediocre? Just curious, how big? Think of it as a pie chart.
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Regardless of the pie chart why not at least attempt to improve the line?
Do you think Glass is a better hockey player or gives the Rangers a better chance to win if he played in the majority of the games over Miller, Fast, Stempniak or anyone else you'd sit in order to play Glass?
Just curious, because even though the others are inexperienced and may make some mistakes, I still see their skill level being an overall positive towards the Rangers being a better team over even an experienced, mistake free Glass.
