Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[SEALBound]

Is Sprong’s hair just a global warming prediction of the polar ice caps

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[Gurglesons]

We still own RFA rights to Bjorkvist, Hallander and Filip Lindberg (the goalie) to my knowledge. None are 27 years of yet, so all will remain Pens property until then.

The ONLY way we land a Marner is if somehow the Leafs deem Tristan Jarry as the answer to their goaltending issues. And even then, I doubt we are able to pull it off.

As for Laine, I like the player. His presence on the PP would definitely help. That said, his value is nowhere near a first-round pick I don't care what year we are talking about. He is a reclamation project at this point. Not unlike his countryman Puljujarvi.

I am not trading much more than Reilly Smith for him at this point.

Laine was obviously injured this year. The two previous years he put up 52 in 55 and 56 in 56.

Not sure how he is a reclamation project.

 

[Al Smith]

Is Sprong’s hair just a global warming prediction of the polar ice caps

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Nah. I'd guess more a function of playing for a different team every year.

I will say though, for the flaws in his game that have never been fixed, he manages to hang on in the NHL. So more power to him.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Is Sprong’s hair just a global warming prediction of the polar ice caps

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[Slaaapshuter]

Is Sprong’s hair just a global warming prediction of the polar ice caps

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On the Anaheim pic, the tanline suggest he goes to the beach wearing his helmet.

 

[Andy99]

Lol…forthcoming laugher on the coach and Jarry courtesy of Vensel’s article this am…

“One thing the Penguins could have done was make a change behind the bench. But they retained Sullivan, a decision Ferraro and Boudreau both understood.

“I think Mike Sullivan is a hell of coach,” Boudreau said. “All good coaches, they look at what they’ve got and have ideas of how they want to play. But if it’s not working, they change it. Mike Sullivan will look over everything this summer and say, ‘OK, we have to make some adjustments.’ And then he’ll make them.”

Ferraro echoed that. But he noted the roster is constructed to play an up-tempo style and said it could be problematic if they installed a totally different system.

Another area of interest is the goaltending situation. Dubas recently supported Jarry and said the Penguins could let Nedeljkovic leave in free agency and go with Blomqvist as the backup. Button believes sticking with Jarry is a mistake.

Ferraro thinks Jarry is an above-average starter with untapped upside. But he, too, used the words “inconsistent” and “unreliable” to describe the former All-Star.

Said Button, “You can bolster your lineup. You can get more speed and a little more youth. You can do everything right, and [goaltending] can still sink you.”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2024/04/28/pittsburgh-offseason-kyle-dubas-sidney-crosby-tristan-jarry/stories/202404270014

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Lol…forthcoming laugher on the coach and Jarry courtesy of Vensel’s article this am…

“One thing the Penguins could have done was make a change behind the bench. But they retained Sullivan, a decision Ferraro and Boudreau both understood.

“I think Mike Sullivan is a hell of coach,” Boudreau said. “All good coaches, they look at what they’ve got and have ideas of how they want to play. But if it’s not working, they change it. Mike Sullivan will look over everything this summer and say, ‘OK, we have to make some adjustments.’ And then he’ll make them.”

Ferraro echoed that. But he noted the roster is constructed to play an up-tempo style and said it could be problematic if they installed a totally different system.

Another area of interest is the goaltending situation. Dubas recently supported Jarry and said the Penguins could let Nedeljkovic leave in free agency and go with Blomqvist as the backup. Button believes sticking with Jarry is a mistake.

Ferraro thinks Jarry is an above-average starter with untapped upside. But he, too, used the words “inconsistent” and “unreliable” to describe the former All-Star.

Said Button, “You can bolster your lineup. You can get more speed and a little more youth. You can do everything right, and [goaltending] can still sink you.”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2024/04/28/pittsburgh-offseason-kyle-dubas-sidney-crosby-tristan-jarry/stories/202404270014

Proves that "expert commentators" just have a ready made rolodex of commentary they pull out and don't actually know the team/situation they comment on (who can blame them, nobody can follow all 32 teams close).

“All good coaches, they look at what they’ve got and have ideas of how they want to play. But if it’s not working, they change it. Mike Sullivan will look over everything this summer and say, ‘OK, we have to make some adjustments.’ And then he’ll make them.”

This must mean that Boudreau doesn't think Sullivan is a good coach then, if we look on how reality actually is.

Ferraro echoed that. But he noted the roster is constructed to play an up-tempo style and said it could be problematic if they installed a totally different system.

Ehm, it's the opposite. The coach wants to play an up-tempo style but the roster contruction is old and outdated as F.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

If Woll gets shelled in game 5, a TJ+ for Marner trade could very well be the move. Mitch holds all the cards so if he wants to come here and play with Sid there's not much Tree can do.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Ehm, it's the opposite. The coach wants to play an up-tempo style but the roster contruction is old and outdated as F.

That is the most mindboggling part of the whole thing.

 

[Zbynek]

Letting Ned go to free agency would be a hilarious little third reboot of just missing the playoffs with Sully & the gang.

If Woll gets shelled in game 5, a TJ+ for Marner trade could very well be the move. Mitch holds all the cards so if he wants to come here and play with Sid there's not much Tree can do.

That + would have to be astronomical given Tristan Jarry's current contract and how this season just ended. Also using a bunch of assets now would be a funny followup to buying absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.

This org is so cooked.

 

[Gurglesons]

Letting Ned go to free agency would be a hilarious little third reboot of just missing the playoffs with Sully & the gang.

You can easily find another Ned in Lankinen, Stolarz, or Kahkonen in UFA.

 

[Zbynek]

You can easily find another Ned in Lankinen, Stolarz, or Kahkonen in UFA.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ned put up a .902. He wasn't anything special.

People are just shellshocked because we've had such a shitty starting goaltender for years.

 

[Darren McCord]

Ned put up a .902. He wasn't anything special.

People are just shellshocked because we've had such a shitty starting goaltender for years.

I want Ned back if Jarry is gone so you have a guy who is familiar with the team. If Jarry comes back I dont want to pay overpay Ned. I dont mind overpaying him slightly if you move Jarry.

That + would have to be astronomical given Tristan Jarry's current contract and how this season just ended. Also using a bunch of assets now would be a funny followup to buying absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.

This org is so cooked.

I dont care about getting Marner but someone would tade for Jarry if he was on the table.

korpisalo got 4 mill last summer and Jarry is better than him.

 

[Zbynek]

I want Ned back if Jarry is gone so you have a guy who is familiar with the team.

It's not just about being familiar with the team. It's the entire roster (and coaching staff for that matter) actually showing balls and confidence with him in net. Not sure why you'd want to go fishing with a Kahkonen after witnessing what happened this year. But then again, I have absolutely zero faith in Dubas making the right call here. The Jarry contract was one of his first big moves, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him double down on it. I also don't think moving a guy like Jarry is as easy as you think it is. Goalies very seldom get traded.

 

[Rave7215]

I would absolutely do a Jarry for Marner trade if Marner comes with an extension.

 

[Zbynek]

Toronto won’t trade with Dubas.

That's a good point.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's not just about being familiar with the team. It's the entire roster (and coaching staff for that matter) actually showing balls and confidence with him in net. Not sure why you'd want to go fishing with a Kahkonen after witnessing what happened this year. But then again, I have absolutely zero faith in Dubas making the right call here. The Jarry contract was one of his first big moves, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him double down on it. I also don't think moving a guy like Jarry is as easy as you think it is. Goalies very seldom get traded.

Don't get blinded by a 10 game run that happened when they thought things didn't matter.

When they had to win against Boston they became the same team they've always been under Sullivan.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Don't get blinded by a 10 game run that happened when they thought things didn't matter.

When they had to win against Boston they became the same team they've always been under Sullivan.

I just want jarry gone

We can do as bad with any number of random guys making $3mil each

No reason to pay good money to be bad

 

[HandshakeLine]

No reason to pay good money to be bad

I believe this is what you learn when you take those super secret business Ph.D. classes.

 

[Gurglesons]

I just want jarry gone

We can do as bad with any number of random guys making $3mil each

No reason to pay good money to be bad

You know what Kyle Dubas says. If you let a goalie walk, you are looking for another goalie!

 

[HandshakeLine]

Speaking of which, will Eller be the new Carter? Or will we have to trade again for another useless 4C who is an active liability every time they touch the ice but people like in the lockerroom?

 

[Gurglesons]

Speaking of which, will Eller be the new Carter? Or will we have to trade again for another useless 4C who is an active liability every time they touch the ice but people like in the lockerroom?

Same crowd that is talking Eller up as a home run signing this year will be throwing dirt on his grave while Sullivan plays him 16 minutes a night.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Same crowd that is talking Eller up as a home run signing this year will be throwing dirt on his grave while Sullivan plays him 16 minutes a night.

While this may be seen as a negative in some lights, I think it speaks to the success of the Sullivan developmental pipeline.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't care how Mike Sullivan utilizes him. If we can find a way to acquire Nic Ehlers this summer we NEED to do it. He's exactly what this line-up needs.