Confirmed with Link: Penguins sign Ryan Graves: 6 years, $4.5m AAV

[66-30-33]

I don’t think this as anywhere close as bad as people in the main board topic, including a few Pens fans. Was happy to see this thread was reasonable.

4.5 is fine. 6 years doesn’t matter because our core will be 95 years old.

Only the first 2 years matter, after that who cares we are rebuilding.

 

[Pengu]

WTF. Dubas knows there is a cap right?
It will cost a TON to get under it....

 

[Zero Pucks]

Nice. One of the few players I was hoping we'd get in FA.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Cap hit seems fine, term sucks but at this point, nobody's term matters anymore.

 

[Mrs Crosby's Dryer]

This is actually the only signing we did today that makes reasonable sense. Cap and term is a little too much, but good solid defensive D man.

 

[JTG]

Good player. Much needed size. Should be a notch above Dumo.

 

[edog37]

Assume that's us out of EK

And thank God we are.

 

[madinsomniac]

Meh I like it… unless he totally craps the bed he will still have value in three years when the cap has gone up and our window is closed so trading him then would not be an issue. In the mean time he is a good 4th d option

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I feel like 10yrs minimum would have been better. Or at least 8.

Graves seems like a very solid add, and he's under 30. I like it.

I mean he's like 28.

POJ is 24, Pettersson is 27 and Graves is 28.

The "youngsters" on the Pens D. Lol

 

[orby]

I feel like 10yrs minimum would have been better. Or at least 8.


I mean he's like 28.

POJ is 24, Pettersson is 27 and Graves is 28.

The "youngsters" on the Pens D. Lol

I'll take what I can get. Hextall traumatized me.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Graves has big shoes to fill to replace young dumo

But very very small shoes for old dumo

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'll take what I can get. Hextall traumatized me.

Nah mate. You traumatized yourself. Hextall didn't do the damage that traumatized you wankers. The one that has been, sits behind the bench with the safest job in the franchise.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Nah mate. You traumatized yourself. Hextall didn't do the damage that traumatized you wankers. The one that has been, sits behind the bench with the safest job in the franchise.

I have a hard time looking at today's prioritized signings as anything but what Sullivan expressly wanted for the team.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Initially read the thread title as “Ryan Reaves” and nearly choked on my coffee….

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I like how Yohe-tard says Pettersson is 6'5" like Graves.

Lol

I have a hard time looking at today's prioritized signings as anything but what Sullivan expressly wanted for the team.

What, old veterans that are capable but will be used like shit?

The f*** you been? Under a rock for almost a decade with Sully? We haven't had shit players. We've seen them used in shitty ways.

 

[Rakell67]

Graves has big shoes to fill to replace young dumo

But very very small shoes for old dumo

Actually, one small shoe and one wooden peg leg for old Dumo.

 

[mpp9]

Haven’t watched much of him. Is he at least decent on the breakout?

 

[Turin]

Haven’t watched much of him. Is he at least decent on the breakout?

More of a puck carrier than a passer but he's not completely stone handed either.

He took all the hard matchups w/ Marino on NJ. I could imagine that he would have even better results in a somewhat easier role. I don't think he'll be used the same way.

 

[LOGiK]

Lidstrom couldn't prop up a team backed by Jarry.

'Give a F at this point.

Let's be real.....
Lidstrom, Stevens, Foote, Hatcher, Coffey and Bourque could not prop up a team backed by Jarry.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Out of the forwards and defense this is the only one that make the most sense.

 

[Peat]

Interesting card. Directly contradicts some of the others (on the penalty kill). That data point on recoveries looks very aberrant.

The things that catches my eye though is

a) decent zone exits and zone entries
b) outstanding zone denial

Those are the traits Pittsburgh dmen need. If he can regain dump ins and get it out of danger, he'll do well.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Interesting card. Directly contradicts some of the others (on the penalty kill). That data point on recoveries looks very aberrant.

The things that catches my eye though is

a) decent zone exits and zone entries
b) outstanding zone denial

Those are the traits Pittsburgh dmen need. If he can regain dump ins and get it out of danger, he'll do well.

I'm curious how his defensive impact is only ranked at a 19 but his denials are ranked at a 93. You would think that rush denials would have a major impact on defense.

Would defensive impact be like positioning in the defensive zone?

 

[Turin]

Interesting card. Directly contradicts some of the others (on the penalty kill). That data point on recoveries looks very aberrant.

The things that catches my eye though is

a) decent zone exits and zone entries
b) outstanding zone denial

Those are the traits Pittsburgh dmen need. If he can regain dump ins and get it out of danger, he'll do well.

Sometimes there's some glaring contradictions between models. Would love to see actual data that teams use.

 

[Peat]

I'm curious how his defensive impact is only ranked at a 19 but his denials are ranked at a 93. You would think that rush denials would have a major impact on defense.

Would defensive impact be like positioning in the defensive zone?

My guess is either an aggregate affected by the recoveries thing, or it's just looking at relative possession stats where's not been great... but in a shutdown role against opposition best where the rest of his team post great stats, what are we expecting?

 

[DoktorZaius]

I've seen people think the term is extreme, but who cares...we have 2-3 years of trying to cobble together a miracle (where cap hit actually matters) and after that it's time to suck for a good long while.