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mpp9

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Again, another example of a moron journalist all of a sudden calling the Pens top heavy.

Uh, the Pens never really were "top heavy" and they certainly aren't this year.
 

wej20

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Top Heavy? We could potentially have Bonino or Fehr centre the 4th line.
 

Ugene Magic

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Again, another example of a moron journalist all of a sudden calling the Pens top heavy.

Uh, the Pens never really were "top heavy" and they certainly aren't this year.

Top Heavy? We could potentially have Bonino or Fehr centre the 4th line.

Top heavy = depth if you look at it in the right context.

It pushes guys down the lineup with all of the acquisitions and signings, plus who's returning.

Malkin
Crosby
Kessel
Hornqvist
Perron
Kunitz
Dupuis
Plotnikov

Or, 44.437 of the cap which is well north of 50% for only 8 players. The Pens seem to have a hefty cap cushion this season with 3.275. They really needed that.

I see where one could see the team as top heavy.
 

eXile59

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MJ did not run a aggressive, fast system last year. Hopefully he does this year.

He won't have the injury excuse to fall behind forever.
 

robopigeon

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You lose the mighty brandon sutter and suddenly you have no depth.

Correction: Replace Sutter with three centers with somewhat equal production each but having their own specialties all better than Sutter could ever do (Cullen = faceoffs, Fehr = size/grit, Bonino = playmaking skill)... and you have no depth.
 

Ugene Magic

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He said top heavy in terms of forwards, which is just wrong.

How is he wrong?

He started off with Kessel, then Kunitz, Hornqvist, Dupuis, Plotnikov and never even mentioned Perron or Bennett, while putting that all on top of Crosby and Malkin.

Then in a pinch there's Bonino, Cullen and Fehr who could see some time there if needed.

At forward, the Pens could be seen as top heavy with 9/10 possible candidates or more.
 

mpp9

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How is he wrong?

He started off with Kessel, then Kunitz, Hornqvist, Dupuis, Plotnikov and never even mentioned Perron or Bennett, while putting that all on top of Crosby and Malkin.

Then in a pinch there's Bonino, Cullen and Fehr who could see some time there if needed.

At forward, the Pens could be seen as top heavy with 9/10 possible candidates or more.

What exactly do you think top heavy means?
 

penzweiser

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Penguins are not top heavy on forwards. Defense is a different story since we have a #1 & 2 and no real established 3 or 4. But in terms of forwards we have:

Elite Centers:
Crosby
Malkin

Elite Winger:
Kessel

Legitimate 1st line winger:
Hornqvist

Legitimate top 6 forwards:
Perron
Kunitz (last year was an anomoly, I expect him to bounce back in a big way)

Established top 9 forwards:
Dupuis
Bonino
Fehr

Potential top 9 players:
Bennett
Plotnikov
Sundqvist

4th line players :
Cullen
Wilson

That does not look like it's lacking in depth at all.

Kunitz-Crosby-Kessel
Perron-Malkin-Hornqvist
Dupuis-Bonino-Fehr
Plotnikov-Cullen-Bennett
Wilson

That looks like a real deep group. Sundqvist or Wilson in while Fehr is out. Just depends how you think Sundqvist needs to develop.
 

Jaded-Fan

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Top heavy?

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I can understand fans of other teams here at HF fighting the last war and using past rep which is completely unrelated to the current team to tar and feather them. But a journalist?

They almost all suck, but honestly that is just plain laziness blended with stupidity.

The current Pens team has addressed past weaknesses. Quality on the wings, a LOT iof quality depth. Scoring from the bottom two lines.

And the current questions are almost entirely about the defense (especially youth, but quality degradation as well from prior years even if youth rises to the task).

Pretty much a reversal completely of the recent past questions and strengths.
 

Ugene Magic

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What exactly do you think top heavy means?

Maybe one of you should be explaining what your end details?

Because, if you leave it at Crosby, Malkin and Kessel, maybe you all need to look at this team from outside of the window/glass, like he is.
 

penzweiser

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Why's that?

He does a bunch of things away from the puck that help the team and had his worst shootg percentage of his career. I expect that to fall more in line with good career shooting percentage. Unlike most people I don't think he looked terrible last year, he was still effective.
 

Shady Machine

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How is he wrong?

He started off with Kessel, then Kunitz, Hornqvist, Dupuis, Plotnikov and never even mentioned Perron or Bennett, while putting that all on top of Crosby and Malkin.

Then in a pinch there's Bonino, Cullen and Fehr who could see some time there if needed.

At forward, the Pens could be seen as top heavy with 9/10 possible candidates or more.

Uhh, that's not what top heavy means. It means having a few high end forwards and a bunch of scrubs after because you can't afford to have quality depth. The problem is it's not close to true.
 

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