Proposal: Pavelski (50% retained) for Kapanen

[jonlin]

I think Dallas would take this deal? Robertson - Hintz - Kapanen would be a very fast line.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Versatile two-way vet to help the Pens playoff push for a speedy RH shot scoring winger to grow with the Stars young core.

this would be insanity for the Pens.....talk about poor asset management

 

[Empoleon8771]

How optimistic! Why bother with any rentals eh?

Pavelski would improve this team in several key areas, and is the sort of acquisition that would go a long way to ensuring we won't get bounced early again. Likely more than any other return we'd get for Kap.

Newsflash: It may not be feasible to keep Kapanen next year regardless if they choose to keep Rodrigues and Rust, 2 players who have both outperformed him this year.

There are other ways to trade Kapanen? What other move do you think would make the Pens better this year and moving forward?

There is a MASSIVE difference between trading for a rental and trading a cost controlled 2nd liner winger for a rental. One is what a ton of contending teams do. The other is what Jim Benning does.

The move is just egregiously short sighted. How does this trade even remotely improve the Penguins going forward? You get a boost for like 40 games and then Pavelski is gone.

You keep saying "cost controlled", but we have no idea what his next contract will be. That would be applicable if he were signed to a good deal moving forward, but he is not.

He's an impending RFA under team control.

You're arguing semantics. He isn't hitting UFA for multiple years. He is therefore cost controlled. Whether you want to play semantics and argue for cost controlled vs team controlled is irrelevant.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

There is a MASSIVE difference between trading for a rental and trading a cost controlled 2nd liner winger for a rental. One is what a ton of contending teams do. The other is what Jim Benning does.

The move is just egregiously short sighted. How does this trade even remotely improve the Penguins going forward? You get a boost for like 40 games and then Pavelski is gone.

It doesn't. It makes the Pens better this year, and moving forward we can use the cap space we aren't using on Kapanen elsewhere.

Do you think we have unlimited cap space next year? How do you think we retain Malkin, Letang, Rust, ERod, and Kapanen?

You're arguing semantics. He isn't hitting UFA for multiple years. He is therefore cost controlled. Whether you want to play semantics and argue for cost controlled vs team controlled is irrelevant.

There's a clear difference between the two ideas, and it affects value.

Kapanen is likely to make something in the 4-5 mil range on his next deal. That's not some huge bargain, that's about what he's worth as of now.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It doesn't. It makes the Pens better this year, and moving forward we can use the cap space we aren't using on Kapanen elsewhere.

Do you think we have unlimited cap space next year? How do you think we retain Malkin, Letang, Rust, ERod, and Kapanen?

Or they can still trade Kapanen this off-season and target something that isn't a 40 game rental.

Trading Kapanen for a rental is a flat out bad idea. Period. You have a substantially better argument for something like Zucker and a boatload of futures for Pavelski and then working out the cap in the off-season than to do Kapanen for Pavelski.

 

[innitfam]

Needs to be part of a bigger deal IMO

If the bottom falls out in Dallas they probably look into dealing both Pavs and Klingberg (of course).

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Or they can still trade Kapanen this off-season and target something that isn't a 40 game rental.

Trading Kapanen for a rental is a flat out bad idea. Period. You have a substantially better argument for something like Zucker and a boatload of futures for Pavelski and then working out the cap in the off-season than to do Kapanen for Pavelski.

I'd be open to that too.

But would Dallas even want Zucker?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Dear lord absolutely not. Why the hell would you trade a cost controlled 2nd liner for an upper 30s rental? Atrocious.

I wonder if people will say this when McDavid turns 39 lol

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'm going to try to appease @Empoleon8771 here:

Forgetting Kapanen for the moment, how do Dallas fans feel about Zucker and a 1st for Pavelski?

 

[jonlin]

I'm going to try to appease @Empoleon8771 here:

Forgetting Kapanen for the moment, how do Dallas fans feel about Zucker and a 1st for Pavelski?

I`d guess they dont want 5,5M for next year? They are pretty strapped at the cap as is.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Crosby, Guentzel, and Pavelski are

arguably the 3 best hand-eye players in the league.

Without arguing is there any baseline for your post

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Without arguing is there any baseline for your post

They're all pretty incredible at deflections.

I don't have any hard data at hand, but it's not critical to my argument.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm going to try to appease @Empoleon8771 here:

Forgetting Kapanen for the moment, how do Dallas fans feel about Zucker and a 1st for Pavelski?

I would even be willing to add Legare or Poulin on top of that package as well. No clue if Dallas does it, but I'd much rather do that over trading Kapanen and still needing to deal Zucker in the off-season.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I would even be willing to add Legare or Poulin on top of that package as well. No clue if Dallas does it, but I'd much rather do that over trading Kapanen and still needing to deal Zucker in the off-season.

I'd be okay with either.

Nice goal by Pavs just now too. That kind of touch around the net is just one of many reasons why he'd do well here.

 

[eartotheground]

from a dallas pov, i think you can get way more than kap. i like him, but value wise, he's not a building block.

 

[Drake1588]

While Pavelski could certainly be a good fit for the Penguins, teams that are looking to go on a playoff run don't deal second liners on good contracts in those trades. Picks and prospects make more sense for the return.

If that's a no-go from a Dallas point of view, I'd understand that too. Yet I expect the Pens would be looking to add, not swap key skaters.

In the end, Kapanen is probably too much of a veteran to be trade bait in a buyer/seller scenario at the trade deadline.

 

[Bizz]

Pavelski at 50% retained for a 2nd liner you say?

How about Lebanc+?

 

[Jerkbait]

Or they can still trade Kapanen this off-season and target something that isn't a 40 game rental.

Trading Kapanen for a rental is a flat out bad idea. Period. You have a substantially better argument for something like Zucker and a boatload of futures for Pavelski and then working out the cap in the off-season than to do Kapanen for Pavelski.

Wrong. For one, Dallas isn't taking zucker .....pens don't have the boat load of futures. The whole logic here is malkin amd letang. If they want to keep them then salary needs to go which will likey mean rust doesn't resign and aleast one trade which Kapanen is an obvious choice. .ales perfect sense if they want to make a run this year.

 

[Miro4Norris]

He would do miracles in powerplay for us but how's his skating and 5v5 play? I love Kappy and want to see him playing with Malkin tho. He was insane last year and he usually scored when we needed it most

 

[66-30-33]

Easy pass. I'd like Pavs on this team (he's good and he's born on my birthday and birth year) but needs to be a different player.