Paul Maurice Appreciation Thread

Anton Babchuk

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I would like to congratulate Paul Maurice for making the playoffs before the Hurricanes.

It is now more clear than ever that Mo was nothing more than a convenient scapegoat for ignorant fans and Luke DeCock.

In his second stint here as well as his time in Toronto, Mo's team's were consistently at or above the league average in goals-per-game until his final 25 games, yet he was constantly trashed for playing a "defensive style" that limited the allegedly amazing offensive talents of the Hurricanes.

He was criticized for "holding back" young players, aka Zac Dalpe and Zach Boychuk, who both have gone through multiple coaches and teams since and showed nothing (and let's not pretend he "ruined" them either; Dalpe and Mo only existed on the Hurricanes for a little over a year, with Dalpe being in the AHL the vast majority of that time; if someone "ruined" them it's the AHL head coach, but that is another discussion).

He was bashed for juggling the lines (nothing has changed; every coach does this), for being bad at shootouts (obviously a talent problem). He was criticized for playing "favorites" with Jiri Tlusty even though he would never play him in the top 6 or give him powerplay time (Tlusty wound up way better than any of the shiny prospects we had, by the way). He was criticized for JR's incompetence in signing noted food enthusiast Tomas Kaberle; you know, because Mo coached him and must have made the decision! Bashed for every single little problem that the team had. The savior Kirk Muller came in and fixed nothing, but the media decided to confirmation bias their way into deciding that he was going to lead the team to the promise land by writing 90,000 word articles on how good the team's powerplay percentage was over a span of four games. The team is god awful yet again but Bill Peters gets no criticism because he didn't play a boring, unwatchable trap style in the early 2000s with the Hurricanes, which everyone knows was the root cause for the Mo hatred in his second tenure. (Note: I don't think Peters is a bad coach; no coach would be successful with this garbage team)

I, for one, will be cheering on the Winnipeg Jets. I will not be watching them (since hockey is boring and Canada is bad), but I will be periodically checking boxscores.

Somewhere in an alternate universe there is a team with Paul Maurice, Peter Karmanos, Eric Staal, Joni Pitkanen, Alex Semin, Sandis Ozolinsh, and all of the other whipping boys that has won multiple Stanley Cups. Multiple. Stanley. Cups.

Also, if John-Michael Liles scores a point in his final game and Jeff Skinner does not, they will both finish with the same points-per-game this season.
 
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I thought Walkerbabe stopped posting here? Welcome back.

Also, if Alex Semin scores 5 goals and is a plus 7 in his last game, and Chris Terry is scoreless and is even, they will both finish with the same number of goals and same +/-.

Would be nice to see Lindholm get a point to hit the 40 point plateau and match Brandon Sutter's output in his sophomore season with Carolina.
 

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He's by all accounts a pretty good guy too.

I've met him on a couple of occasions and even with that limited sample size, would have to agree. As a guy that's coached that many games, and is still relatively young, he's had some pretty crappy rosters to coach.
 

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I thought Walkerbabe stopped posting here? Welcome back.

Also, if Alex Semin scores 5 goals and is a plus 7 in his last game, and Chris Terry is scoreless and is even, they will both finish with the same number of goals and same +/-.

Would be nice to see Lindholm get a point to hit the 40 point plateau and match Brandon Sutter's output in his sophomore season with Carolina.
brandon sutter was a year older than lindholm

checkmate satin
 

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Completely agree. I once postulated (based on conversations with people who would know and whose opinions are respected) that Maurice was one of the brighter minds in the coaching fraternity. My one conversation with him was great. Super nice guy, could talk about things other than hockey, just a guy who was aware of other things (sometimes hockey players don't know anything about anything, sadly).

Anyways...he hasn't exactly been placed in hockey hotspots when it comes to the quality of teams he's inherited, and somehow he finds a way to bring them to respectability.
 

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I thought Mo was regarded pretty highly amongst anyone with some knowledge of the game? Facebook mouthbreathing "Mo must Go" types don't fall into that category. Or was this a "before my hfboards time" thing where people here had their torches and pitchforks out?
 

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I wasn't a huge fan of Maurice when he was here (the last time, wasn't really a Canes fan the first time). I know he's a good guy and has never had a fair shake in terms of talent, but it was pretty boring hockey to watch. If it's boring and you are winning, then great. If it's boring and you are losing, that's tough to swallow.

Either way, how badly they were playing that final season he was here, he had to go. I don't think even Scotty Bowman could have won with those teams, but there had to be a change. A lot of good coaches find success after moving on.
 

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If Peters has another bottom 5 finish next season should he be fired?
 

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Mo is a good coach but he was clearly in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's a far better fit for what Winnipeg is trying to accomplish right now (sneak into the playoffs for the first time and make noise as a low seed) than for what the Canes were obviously going to be doing post-2011.
 

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If Peters has another bottom 5 finish next season should he be fired?

Depends. If the talent on the team is similar to the talent on the team this year (and right now, without Sekera it may be worse), it's hard to blame the coach, yet again. In fact, I'd expect them to be bottom five if that's the case. Even the best chef can't make a gourmet meal out of spoiled ingredients.
 

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It seems as though Peters is having a lot of input into the players and system the team is being built for. To fire him just as the building phase is coming to an end seems dumb. if they're eyeballing 16-17 or 17-18 as a return to competitiveness, I think you have to stick with the plan.
 

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It seems as though Peters is having a lot of input into the players and system the team is being built for. To fire him just as the building phase is coming to an end seems dumb. if they're eyeballing 16-17 or 17-18 as a return to competitiveness, I think you have to stick with the plan.

I agree. I said "depends" but really didn't mean it that way. Francis I think has a plan and at least for the next few years, Peters is part of that plan. The point I tried to make was that he won't be fired just because of a bottom 5 finish, especially with this roster.
 

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I think Mo is a solid enough coach and a smart likable guy. I just think after two stints and a ton of years it wasn't the worst thing for all involved to move on. And even though I'd agree with the fact he didn't ruin those type of players, I don't think he always played young guys how he should have with us. That may have been part JR too. I do generally like how Peters is deploying young guys throughout this season even though I don't like some of his lineup moves. Overall, glad for More, but I won't root for the Jets.
 

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Depends. If the talent on the team is similar to the talent on the team this year (and right now, without Sekera it may be worse), it's hard to blame the coach, yet again. In fact, I'd expect them to be bottom five if that's the case. Even the best chef can't make a gourmet meal out of spoiled ingredients.

disagree. mike martz made gourmet pasta out of the mac n' cheese that was jon kitna.
 

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I think Mo is a solid enough coach and a smart likable guy. I just think after two stints and a ton of years it wasn't the worst thing for all involved to move on. And even though I'd agree with the fact he didn't ruin those type of players, I don't think he always played young guys how he should have with us. That may have been part JR too. I do generally like how Peters is deploying young guys throughout this season even though I don't like some of his lineup moves. Overall, glad for More, but I won't root for the Jets.

Peters is actively teaching young guys, putting them in roles suited to their skills, and generally putting them in a place to succeed. He's succeeded with guys like Nash and Rask, and has gotten several guys we thought were very distant from the NHL to look like acceptable, if not good, D men. Remember Boychuck's comments at the beginning of the season that his 15 or so minute conversation with Peters was the longest and most substantive he'd ever had with a Hurricanes coach?

Maurice, despite may other good traits as a coach, did not handle young players well. He often put young players in positions to fail, and I think part of the reason for the failure of guys like Boychuck is Maurice's attempts to slot them into radically different roles than what they were used to and skilled at without proper support. The fact that those guys still failed after Maurice left doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't his fault- it could just as easily mean that the damage he did to their development was permanent. And it's likely a little from column A, a little from column B. Mo wasn't as bad as he was often portrayed to be in the heat of the moment coaching here. But it wasn't all sunshine and roses, either. Mo ruining prospects is not an invalid criticism.
 

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mo's first time coaching boychuk was training camp 2009

he was fired a little more than two years later

coached him in 54 regular season games total.

he didn't deal with dalpe until training camp 2010. fired a little more than a year later. coached him 23 games.

if these guys are going to be ruined over such a short period of time, i'd argue they probably weren't good enough to begin with.

who are the other young players we are talking about? did he fail skinner? mcbain? sutter? tlusty?

basically, mo didn't want to give lots of ice time to ahl waiver fodder. the hurricanes sucked at drafting and he took the blame for it because he didn't give boychuk/dalpe free reign. they consistently showed nothing, even in preseason when they got top six ice time. i looked up their numbers where they had something like 1 goal combined in three preseasons.

edit: "Stats over past three preseasons: Dalpe - 13 games, 1 goal/3 points. Bowman - 12 games, 0 goals/1 point. Boychuk - 7 games, 1 goal/1 point."
 
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