Patrick Kane subject of police investigation V [READ MOD OP]

[SniperHF]

Here is the best summary of the facts so far. Please stick to discussing the facts of the case and limit personal speculation.

Update 8/9:

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

See the original article for more details: http://www.buffalonews.com/feed/new...ations-against-nhl-star-patrick-kane-20150809


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http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...erstar-is-subject-of-rape-allegation-20150806

• A young local woman has alleged that Kane, 26, took her to his Hamburg waterfront home and raped her after meeting her in a downtown Buffalo nightclub Saturday night or early Sunday.

• Police searched the Chicago Blackhawks star’s waterfront home on Sunday, looking for evidence.

• The alleged victim went to a local hospital, where she was examined for physical signs that she had been raped.

• The prosecutor assigned to the case is Roseanne Johnson, who specializes in sexual assault cases and heads the Special Victims Unit in the Erie County District Attorney’s Office.

• Kane is being represented in connection with the probe by a top Buffalo defense attorney, Paul J. Cambria Jr., who also represented Kane in 2009 after he and his cousin were accused of roughing up a Buffalo cab driver.

Additionally, Hamburg PD made a statement around 10:30am EST Friday but said little more than they are awaiting forensic results and confirmed an investigation is on going.



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[Pez68]

Well that's a completely different and very specific circumstance that's very far removed from "too bad if you're drunk and get raped" which is what you actually said. Also the laws on consent have been posted for multiple states in this thread. Please backread. You obviously need the information.

Actually, I said nothing of the sort. What I said was, if you are too drunk to OBJECT to having sex, why should the man be considered a rapist? If you are CONSCIOUS, and DO NOT OBJECT, it isn't rape. Period. If you object, or CANNOT OBJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CONSCIOUS, yeah. That's rape.

 

[HydroF]

Please stick to discussing the facts of the case and limit personal speculation.

Sweet, are we actually going to do that this time around?

 

[loudi94]

"Why is it his responsibility to make sure consent has occurred? How many times have you had sex where the women VERBALLY AGREED? Come on."

So he doesn't get accused of assault.....

 

[Pez68]

"Why is it his responsibility to make sure consent has occurred? How many times have you had sex where the women VERBALLY AGREED? Come on."

So he doesn't get accused of assault.....

And unless you had that recorded, how would it matter?

 

[dechire]

Actually, I said nothing of the sort. What I said was, if you are too drunk to OBJECT to having sex, why should the man be considered a rapist? If you are CONSCIOUS, and DO NOT OBJECT, it isn't rape. Period. If you object, or CANNOT OBJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CONSCIOUS, yeah. That's rape.

And now we've circled back around to you telling me I wasn't really raped. That's not a position you want to be in by the way.

 

[Bee Sheriff]

"Why is it his responsibility to make sure consent has occurred? How many times have you had sex where the women VERBALLY AGREED? Come on."

So he doesn't get accused of assault.....

It should be fairly obvious if a person does not want to have sex. Whether it be body language or words

 

[Joe Sakic]

Only reason this thread is so hyped (5 threads now...) is because it's Patrick Kane.

Whole thing will blow over. She's probably in it for the money/attention anyways.

Like a multi-millionaire 26-year old Conn Smythe and 3 time Stanley Cup winner living in a mansion in Buffalo, NY needs to rape a girl. Wake up ppl.

- an Avs fan (same division )

 

[Bee Sheriff]

The facts will come in the forensic reports. nothing to discuss until then

 

[Juicy Pop]

Only reason this thread is so hyped (5 threads now...) is because it's Patrick Kane.

Whole thing will blow over. She's probably in it for the money/attention anyways.

Like a multi-millionaire 26-year old Conn Smythe and 3 time Stanley Cup winner living in a mansion in Buffalo, NY needs to rape a girl. Wake up ppl.

- an Avs fan

And thus, the cycle repeats.

RIP discussion, I'll see you in thread VI.

 

[HydroF]

Only reason this thread is so hyped (5 threads now...) is because it's Patrick Kane.

Whole thing will blow over. She's probably in it for the money/attention anyways.

Like a multi-millionaire 26-year old Conn Smythe and 3 time Stanley Cup winner living in a mansion in Buffalo, NY needs to rape a girl. Wake up ppl.

- an Avs fan

You must not be following this thread, it has nothing to do with Patrick Kane.

Also, thanks a lot, now we have to have another 10 pages of people discussing why or why not having money and fame matters when it comes to being a potential rapist.

 

[Joe Sakic]

You must not be following this thread, it has nothing to do with Patrick Kane.

Also, thanks a lot, now we have to have another 10 pages of people discussing why or why not having money and fame matters when it comes to being a potential rapist.

So then 5+ pages on what, exactly?

Never seen something quite like this on this forum here before.

 

[HydroF]

So then 5+ pages on what, exactly?

Never seen something quite like this on here before.

Issues of consent, rape statistics, advice on how women can stay safe while out at bars, teach men not to rape, listing each states rape laws, rape culture, yes means yes... etc

All apparently valid hockey discussion.

edit- basically check back in 20 minutes and read the posts and imagine 4000 posts of exactly the same thing being said.

 

[aufheben]

Like a multi-millionaire 26-year old Conn Smythe and 3 time Stanley Cup winner living in a mansion in Buffalo, NY needs to assault a cab driver over $0.20. Wake up ppl.

- an Avs fan (same division )

See how that works?

 

[featherhawk]

It should be fairly obvious if a person does not want to have sex. Whether it be body language or words

so consent is now body language or lack there of.......

how many times in your life have you actually asked your partner. "is it permissible for us to have sexual intercourse in the following ways penis/vagina, penis/vagina - oral, penis/anus?

and gotten a response be it from your spouse/common law partner/sex buddy/one night stand........

if both parties are intoxicated stop drinking to get drunk if you don't like what happens when your too wasted to let your vagina/penis talk for your brain

 

[loudi94]

And unless you had that recorded, how would it matter?

Believe it or not, law enforcement is pretty good at determining whether someone is lying or has remorse.

It's awfully hard to prove one way or the other. As I've said before, educating boys and girls about consent is very important. Preventative measures are required on both sides.

 

[JenniferH]

So then 5+ pages on what, exactly

Just go back and read the first two or three threads and you'll save a lot of people a lot of time and energy and headaches most likely and your questions (and some questions you probably never even thought of) will be thoroughly answered over and over and over again. I promise.

 

[Kane One]

What degree of rape is being investigated? Is she alleging Kane forcefully had sex with her after she said no, or that she got drunk and Kane took advantage of her since she's drunk and can't give consent?

Or was it just four full threads of everyone talking like they were there and that no one knows anything?

 

[HydroF]

What degree of rape is being investigated? Is she alleging Kane forcefully had sex with her after she said no, or that she got drunk and Kane took advantage of her since she's drunk and can't give consent?

Or was it just four full threads of everyone talking like they were there and that no one knows anything?

Don't know yet. Don't know anything yet.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Why is it his responsibility to make sure consent has occurred? How many times have you had sex where the women VERBALLY AGREED? Come on.

....for the same reason you check to make sure the light is green and the way is clear before driving into a busy intersection.


Look, when someone is completely hammered and obviously not in control (yet are still conscious), it's your responsibility (whether you're male or female) not to take advantage of that person.

I've saw a case back in my youthful days, where guys have talked one of their (completely hammered) buddies into jumping off the roof of their house. It wasn't a pretty picture....but he agreed to it and went and did it. Guess what, those guys were held responsible for their actions and were stuck paying some nasty medical bills and community service for it, because even though the fella said yes, it was obvious he was in no position to agree to do anything and his buddies had no right to put him in danger.

 

[Juicy Pop]

What degree of rape is being investigated? Is she alleging Kane forcefully had sex with her after she said no, or that she got drunk and Kane took advantage of her since she's drunk and can't give consent?

Or was it just four full threads of everyone talking like they were there and that no one knows anything?

Still no clue AFAIK

 

[dechire]

What degree of rape is being investigated? Is she alleging Kane forcefully had sex with her after she said no, or that she got drunk and Kane took advantage of her since she's drunk and can't give consent?

Or was it just four full threads of everyone talking like they were there and that no one knows anything?

No one will know until charges are filed which will take weeks.

 

[featherhawk]

....for the same reason you check to make sure the light is green and the way is clear before driving into a busy intersection.


Look, when someone is completely hammered and obviously not in control (yet are still conscious), it's your responsibility (whether you're male or female) not to take advantage of that person.

I've saw a case back in my youthful days, where guys have talked one of their (completely hammered) buddies into jumping off the roof of their house. It wasn't a pretty picture....but he agreed to it and went and did it. Guess what, those guys were held responsible for their actions and were stuck paying some nasty medical bills and community service for it, because even though the fella said yes, it was obvious he was in no position to agree to do anything and his buddies had no right to put him in danger.

so then kane should just turn the tables and file rape claims too....

when are humans that willingly taking substances that will effect the ability to make decisions be held responsible.....

its about freaking time if you ask me

 

[loudi94]

if both parties are intoxicated stop drinking to get drunk if you don't like what happens when your too wasted to let your vagina/penis talk for your brain

What if the guy wanted to harvest part of her liver and a kidney? Is that OK?

 

[Bee Sheriff]

so consent is now body language or lack there of.......

how many times in your life have you actually asked your partner. "is it permissible for us to have sexual intercourse in the following ways penis/vagina, penis/vagina - oral, penis/anus?

and gotten a response be it from your spouse/common law partner/sex buddy/one night stand........

if both parties are intoxicated stop drinking to get drunk if you don't like what happens when your too wasted to let your vagina/penis talk for your brain

You completely address verbal consent and did not even once mention body language besides the incoherent first sentence.

Obviously no one is going to "ask for permission" but if a person does not want to have sex they will say "No" and/or even try to push them away hence body language.