AM said:that is, if you believe that we had competative balance last year.
AM said:salary cap help the NHL?
Competative balance isnt there, and neither is profits.
My god, are we going to start with that gibberish again. Do an analysis of who has won the Stanley Cup, made it to the final 4 & who made the playoffs, all in the last 10 years & then come back & play. You may actually become informed on that topic if you take the time .Newsguyone said:Finalists in the last four years?
Calgary Tampa Jersey Anaheim
COnference finalists?
Ottawa Minnesota and whoever Calgary played last year.
I'd say that's pretty darn good.
Well actually, I do. Out of the "final 4", 3 would be considered "small markets", or at least NOT considered to be rich. And the winner only spend what, like $35M?AM said:that is, if you believe that we had competative balance last year.
The Messenger said:I say this is getting us nowhere ..
Lets go back to the Old CBA .. Lets extend it another 6 years and lets play hockey in the fall on time .. That is the next offer the NHLPA should make ..
The Owners have extended it twice .. I say third time is the charm ..
This time the GM's have it figured out and won't make the same mistakes again
dittoThe Messenger said:I say this is getting us nowhere ..
Lets go back to the Old CBA .. Lets extend it another 6 years and lets play hockey in the fall on time .. That is the next offer the NHLPA should make ..
The Owners have extended it twice .. I say third time is the charm ..
This time the GM's have it figured out and won't make the same mistakes again
The Messenger said:I say this is getting us nowhere ..
Lets go back to the Old CBA .. Lets extend it another 6 years and lets play hockey in the fall on time .. That is the next offer the NHLPA should make ..
The Owners have extended it twice .. I say third time is the charm ..
This time the GM's have it figured out and won't make the same mistakes again
Drury_Sakic said:How about a 45 million cap on the old CBA if no deal is worked out by Aug. 1st...thats time enough to work out a deal...
Bob and Gary are locked in a hotel together, and simply cannot leave whatever floor they are on untill a new CBA is worked out. Better yet... they share a room....2 beds though(don't want them to get TOO close )
Works for me..
Newsguyone said:Look, the PA isn't going to completely roll over.
My offer goes like this:
Luxury tax, dollar for dollar, at $38 Million. Hard Cap at $52 Million, with provisions that the cap will rise as median team revenues rise.
We are willing to concede a little on qualifying offers ... Team must offer 105 percent on every qualifying offer with one exception ... Once, in a players career, we are willing to see a 75 percent qualifying offer recognized.
We are willing to make some changes to arbitration.
UFA begins one year earlier in return for our concessions.
Exclusive rights to European draft picks reduced to 3 years,
We are always near our phone when you are prepared to actually negotiate.
Newsguyone said:Finalists in the last four years?
Calgary Tampa Jersey Anaheim
COnference finalists?
Ottawa Minnesota and whoever Calgary played last year.
I'd say that's pretty darn good.
Newsguyone said:My offer goes like this:
Luxury tax, dollar for dollar, at $38 Million. Hard Cap at $52 Million, with provisions that the cap will rise as median team revenues rise.
We are willing to concede a little on qualifying offers ... Team must offer 105 percent on every qualifying offer with one exception ... Once, in a players career, we are willing to see a 75 percent qualifying offer recognized.
We are willing to make some changes to arbitration.
UFA begins one year earlier in return for our concessions.
Exclusive rights to European draft picks reduced to 3 years,
We are always near our phone when you are prepared to actually negotiate.
Pepper said:
Wake up dude, you're living in a dream world.
Let's wait until NHLPA makes their 2nd official offer, so far they have only handed only 1 official (that december 9th joke of an offer) offer while NHL has made several.
Drury_Sakic said:In thinking about the split replacement players made in the ownership groups...(and the fact that the NHL has made the last umptienth million offers).. its time for the PA to make an offer to the NHL that the moderates would kill Betman over if he refused..
Do you have link for these statistics? Also, why did you leave out 2004?Pepper said:From 92 to 03, *EVERY* Stanley Cup was won by a top15 budget team. *SEVEN* of those cups, yes, close to 60% (for you mathematically challenged) were won by TOP5 budget teams!
competitive balance my ass, another urban myth spread by pro-NHLPA apologists.
go kim johnsson said:Well the owners have yet to make an offer the players would kill Goodenow if he refuses, being that he is still alive, so it's not anyone's "turn" its both sides turn to do it.
mr gib said:...PA's turn to make an offer the NHL cannot refuse...
you mean - again?
Or have you ever asked yourself if its just YOUR perception that is changing and the people doing the negotiating are actually going through the process of collective bargaining, which includes a whole lot of posturing some of it designed for the explicit purpose of blocking or effecting moves by one side or the other ??Thunderstruck said:The players perception of an acceptable offer seems to be shifting over time though.
How long until the same basic offer gets them to "kill" Goodenow?
Better yet, how long until the players feel they'll get a better offer once they "kill" Goodenow?
The Messenger said:Or have you ever asked yourself if its just YOUR perception that is changing and the people doing the negotiating are actually going through the process of collective bargaining, which includes a whole lot of posturing some of it designed for the explicit purpose of blocking or effecting moves by one side or the other ??
Both sides have been very careful when to counter and what offer to counter, and which to reject and offer a new concept on, which to file complaints on and which ones to file recognition applications on with the appropriate LRB. Some moves and concessions made only on paper alone to avoid "Bad Faith" bargaining claims. All strategic moves to effect an IMPASSE CBA situation from their own side of the dispute.
You know YOU'RE the one suggesting that Goodenow be removed alone. All that is all based on Domi and Roenick comments that presented the blanket statement that said BOTH sides MAY need to be replaced if they can't get a deal done, while still firing bitter barbs at Bettman in the process.
Its your perception that you have created in your own head alone that has changed .