Line Combos: Par Lindholm for Nic Petan re-visited

[ottomaddox]

I am sure Dubas would have not done this deal knowing that Kadri would get suspended and Hyman would get injured. Say what you will about Par Lindholm, but he would have helped this team on the PK when our injuries occured. Perhaps when Dubas blames himself for the PK being so bad that perhaps this trade is what he's referring to. I think maybe it's a monumental mistake to shorten your PK help as opposed to wishing that Petan is a diamond in the rough.

Petan showed very little as far as I can tell, and I highly doubt he'll be an NHL regular in the future.

Leafs trade Par Lindholm to Jets in exchange for Nic Petan - Sportsnet.ca

Now that you've had time to process this trade, what do you think?

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[I am Canadian]

I don't know if it would have swung the series but I guess you have a point.

We could have gotten Petan for a 6th or something

 

[Mr Hockey]

It probably went like this, Moore is ready to replace Lindholm at 5-vs-5 and they figured they had enough PK depth.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I doubt Dubas expected that Babcock would use an injured Zach Hyman to take draws over Tavares or Matthews. Lindholm was terrible and didn't deserve to play

 

[Teeder Keon]

Both Meh players
We have to get wayyyyyyy bigger , stronger , meaner , better in our bottom 6

And same as our bottom 4 D

 

[Its not your fault]

What if all day was spent on trying to trade for PK Suban? That last minute this was the only deal on the table that he had any ration thinking behind it to make it.

 

[Buds17]

Thought Lindholm served a fine enough purpose in his brief time as a Leaf. He would have been in tough to replace Kadri as 3C in the playoffs though. Fair to say he could have been another option for the PK if he were in the lineup, but success or failure of a special teams unit should be on more than just any one player. Lindholm is a pending UFA and Petan has been re-signed for two years. We'll see what's to come.

 

[Morbo]

The point of the deal wasn't Petan.

It was to get Trevor Moore into the lineup to replace Lindholm.

 

[MoreMogilny]

We’d be in the same position we are today.

 

[ottomaddox]

What if all day was spent on trying to trade for PK Suban? That last minute this was the only deal on the table that he had any ration thinking behind it to make it.

Almost English

 

[Buds17]

The point of the deal wasn't Petan.

It was to get Trevor Moore into the lineup to replace Lindholm.

Moore was a go to option ahead of Ennis in the playoffs. Think they would have found a way to work Moore into the lineup. Petan doesn't get re-signed for two years if he doesn't fulfill some kind of purpose.

 

[ottomaddox]

Thought Lindholm served a fine enough purpose in his brief time as a Leaf. He would have been in tough to replace Kadri as 3C in the playoffs though. Fair to say he could have been another option for the PK if he were in the lineup, but success or failure of a special teams unit should be on more than just any one player. Lindholm is a pending UFA and Petan has been re-signed for two years. We'll see what's to come.

I thought he served fine too.

Even if we removed the scenario where we had injuries in the post-season, what did this move mean? Couldn't we have put Lindholm as a healthy scratch in order to get Moore some experience? I don't mind Moore, but he didn't exactly light the world on fire either.

I strongly believe that when Dubas blames himself for the PK shortcomings he is referring to this trade.

 

[m1ker]

Who would have came out for Lindholm? Goat, Moore, or Ennis?

 

[Morbo]

Moore was a go to option ahead of Ennis in the playoffs. Think they would have found a way to work Moore into the lineup. Petan doesn't get re-signed for two years if he doesn't fulfill some kind of purpose.

I don't understand. Who said Petan didn't have a purpose? He does -- minor league depth and possible call up for the 4th line for an organization that is shallow at centre at the moment.

Fact is Lindholm was bringing nothing whatsoever to the table besides being able to PK, but Babcock was playing him a regular shift for 60 games anyway. That couldn't be allowed to continue.

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine the deal was for Trouba but both sides just could not come to terms and instead of going home empty handed. Both sides just said, let’s trade the plus plus in the deal so at least we looked like we did something on TDL.

 

[Buds17]

I thought he served fine too.

Even if we removed the scenario where we had injuries in the post-season, what did this move mean? Couldn't we have put Lindholm as a healthy scratch in order to get Moore some experience? I don't mind Moore, but he didn't exactly light the world on fire either.

I strongly believe that when Dubas blames himself for the PK shortcomings he is referring to this trade.

Even though it wasn't much, Lindholm did play a bit for Winnipeg. Perhaps they wanted the extra depth as a playoff team and maybe he would have lost his regular spot with the Leafs? I was happy to see Moore get the playoff opportunity at this point in his NHL career. I don't put a lot of stock in the end of season presser, but fair enough there.

 

[Cor]

I feel like Nic Petan for Par Lindholm isn't a trade that needs to be revisited.

 

[Buds17]

I don't understand. Who said Petan didn't have a purpose? He does -- minor league depth and possible call up for the 4th line for an organization that is shallow at centre at the moment.

Fact is Lindholm was bringing nothing whatsoever to the table besides being able to PK, but Babcock was playing him a regular shift for 60 games anyway. That couldn't be allowed to continue.

Not that he doesn't have a purpose, but it was in response to you pointing out that the point of the deal wasn't Petan. Not to say that was the entire point, but I don't think Dubas gave him a two year contract to send him to the Marlies, at least not immediately or all that soon ("minor league depth and possible call up"). I think Lindholm would have been more likely to come out of the lineup (at times or regularly, I don't know) without the trade and with a healthy lineup as he became less valuable once he moved from centre to the wing.

 

[ottomaddox]

I feel like Nic Petan for Par Lindholm isn't a trade that needs to be revisited.

Perhaps the lesson learned is more about PK depth than whether Lindholm is a star or not.

 

[grapes55]

I was a little puzzled at the trade considering how Lindholm was basically a regular all year but I don't think it was necessarily bad or a mistake. Yeah, Par played center for a bit, but mainly only when we had injuries, normally Babs preferred him as a winger. I doubt he would've made much if a difference on the PK

 

[Morbo]

Not that he doesn't have a purpose, but it was in response to you pointing out that the point of the deal wasn't Petan. Not to say that was the entire point, but I don't think Dubas gave him a two year contract to send him to the Marlies, at least not immediately or all that soon ("minor league depth and possible call up"). I think Lindholm would have been more likely to come out of the lineup (at times or regularly, I don't know) without the trade and with a healthy lineup as he became less valuable once he moved from centre to the wing.

I don't know. Lindholm is exactly the kind of player Babcock loves. A talentless gudpro that "stands in the right spot". Polak was 100% right.

 

[The Shadow]

I don't know. Lindholm is exactly the kind of player Babcock loves. A talentless gudpro that "stands in the right spot". Polak was 100% right.

What did Polak say?

 

[ottomaddox]

I missed the Polak presser.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I don't know. Lindholm is exactly the kind of player Babcock loves. A talentless gudpro that "stands in the right spot". Polak was 100% right.

I think Babcock kinda loved Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom too

 

[Martin Skoula]

Perhaps the lesson learned is more about PK depth than whether Lindholm is a star or not.

Perhaps there is no lesson to be learned, other than don't play a winger with a torn ACL as your primary PK center.