Ovechkin vs Malkin

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  1. Kasparov*

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    For me i'd take Malkin because he's just so big, such a great skater and has that dynamic in his game to be a franchise player moreso than Ovechkin IMO. Malkin seriously reminds me of Forsberg a bit.
     
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    Ovechkin looks to be a bit of a puck hog. He kept trying to go into the offenside zone by himself Tues nite. As to who is better, Ovechkin or Malkin, I haven't seen enough of either to make a good decision on that, but I'm sure theres a good reason Ovechkin was scouted as #1 with a bullet. Heck, Florida even tried to draft him the previous year.
     
  3. Kasparov*

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    Hehe yeah.. not taking anything away from Ovechkin, but Malkin honestly to me seems like a bigger version of Peter Forsberg... (except more geared towards playmaking)
     
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    I really like Malkin, but there's a reason Ovechkin won best forward.
     
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    More geared to playmaking than Peter Forsberg? I know I have seen Malkin shoot the puck once or twice with good results so he can't be that much more geared to playmaking than a guy who had 116 points in one season with only 30 goals. And he may be bigger than Forsberg but he doesn't strike me as being as ferociously intense on the ice. Maybe it will come with time...

    Malkin sure looks to have the talent to mold into an NHL supertar but I still like Ovechkin better. The bionic-man visor just is icing on the cake.
     
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    I'm a Penguins fan, but come on, Ovechkin is obviously the better prospect.

    It was painfully obvious during these WJCs.
     
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    I continue to contend that the gap between the two is getting narrower thanks largely to Malkin's rapid development, but Ovechkin is still significantly better, stronger, more developed, etc.

    Because he had a somewhat better tournament.

    If you're in the school of thought that Ovechkin is significantly better than Malkin, i don't think using these past WJCs as an example is going to be good for your argument.
     
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    Agreed with everything you said. Ovechkin is still the better player/prospect, but the gap is closing to more of a crack than a gap.
     
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    I'd take Ovechkin with no hesitation.
     
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    i still take ovechkin, but malkin is not as far behind as i had thought.
     
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    But he is not shifty at all like a Forsberg. In fact, Ovechkin's dynamism is much more akin to a Forsberg. He can start-stop-turn on a dime in a hurry and also is pretty strong for his size. Malkin is more akin to those big, smooth players. He is also pretty raw.

    Maybe it's the novelty effect of Malkin or maybe people didn't noticed he was still very raw but he needs work. There's upside there, though. He is a great 2nd selection for that draft.
     
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    I said it long time ago, Malkin could very well end up better then Ovechkin.

    Just because Ovechkin was better at a younger age it does't mean he'll remain better, Malkin is developing very nice and the gap is getting very close.

    We'll find out in time.
     
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    Two different players. Ovechkin is more of a straight forward sniper that is physical while Evgeni is more of a shifty playmaker.

    Of course I would take AO at this point but I truly believe that Malkin's potential is ****in' insane.
     
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    playing with lemieux next year would do wonders for malkin IMO. jagr has said he wouldn't have been close to the player he developed into if not for lemieux. here's hoping for the end of the lockout.
     
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    Assuming there's no more lockout and Malkin comes, what would the lines be like in Pittsburgh? And the powerplays?

    Thanks.
     
  16. Kasparov*

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    Yeah... big smooth players.. exactly but who could i compare him to??
     
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    :)
     
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    In the year or so of watching your posts I can honestly say that you have been as consistently reserved in your thoughts of Malkin as anyone. For you to say that the gap has narrowed definately brings a :) .

    And yes I noted the 'Ovechkin is still significantly better, stronger, more developed, etc.' which I agree with. I would have been shocked otherwise with AO having a year further development, and even sillier the comparing AO to Crosby because of this tournement when there are two years development separating them.
     
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    I'll give it a go.

    Evgeni Malkin - Mario Lemieux - Mark Recchi
    Ryan Malone - Milan Kraft - Aleksey Morozov
    Konstantin Koltsov - Kris Beech - Ramzi Abid
    Rico Fata - Lasse Pirjeta - Matt Bradley
    Ryan Vandenbussche

    It depends on training camp, but I'd say Malkin will be given every opportunity to play on the top line. I'd probably try and ween him off the wing before putting him at centre, although Mario can shift himself to the left side. Playing with these two could be great for him.

    Its an alright lineup. It doesn't cry out "playoffs" but they could be a difficult team to beat when they bring their A game, but all in all, its still not a very good team. The bottom two lines are especially suspect, I question their ability to close down the top two lines of other teams. Fata's on the fourth line, but could drop in on any of the other lines for a few shifts.

    Powerplay:

    Morozov-Lemieux-Recchi
    Tarnstrom-Jackman

    I've ignored Malkin here, only because Lemieux and Morozov have excellent chemistry between them. I guess then you could make an argument for moving Morozov up to the top line at even strength, but I want Recchi on that line. Malkin, Kraft and Malone would make up the second powerplay unit, and if healthy, Michal Rozsival can slot in on the point.
     
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    I would move Lemieux over to the LW insteed of Malkin. Ouellet should be in there, he can play on your 3rd line with Beech. And Endicott and Armstrong can man the 4th line.
     
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    Well, I explained the positioning of Lemieux/Malkin in my post. The rest, I've already been through with you.
     
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    Last I knew, lockout or not Morozov will be staying in Russia with his contract there.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04213/354740.stm

    Malkin will probably not be over here either, there is no transfer agreement with Russia, it expired. Rumour is they want 7 figures now to release someone like him.

    Ramzi Abid is not exactly tearing up the AHL, I wouldn't count on him making the big team. Ouellet, Murley and Beech are tearing up the AHL as a line, have to agree with at least two of them making it.
     
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    Morozov's contract in Russia is one-year, he can't return to the NHL this year which doesn't look like that's going to matter.

    Morozov proved a hundred times over he wants to be part of this team last year, he'll be back. People really jumped on him for signing that damn contract.
     
  24. Jason MacIsaac

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    Why put all your eggs in one pot like that. Let Malkin make a name for himself on the 2nd line rather then leach off of Lemieux.
     
  25. Chimaera

    Chimaera same ol' Caps

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    Oh but then the point totals Malkin might earn will just prove that Pittsburgh was right all along in getting the 'player with more potential' Malkin.






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    *groan* Not this again. Malkin looked really raw in the two games I saw at the WJC. Yes, he has potential. But that gap hasn't closed that much as far as current level goes. In 2-3 years, maybe that gap will close some, as their long range potential is still about the same, but for the next 2-3 years, Ovechkin should be a better player.

    That doesn't even begin to start into the whole concept that Ovechkin's potential and Malkin's potential is still extremely high. Both players have the scoring talent to be in the top 10 in the league in the right situation, though I'd like to think Ovechkin has the potential to have more of a complete game. Both teams and fans should be happy with either.
     
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