Ovechkin milestone thread (part 2)

[KoozNetsOff 92]

All of what you said is speculation and none of it is rooted in truth. If we offered Trotz the same contract he got with the Isles.. you think he leaves? I'm sorry, but he doesn't.

Ted was just being a cheapo owner... and his stupid blog post shortly after pretty much cemented that fact.

That is also speculation.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

Two more goals for Ovie! Two very clutch goals, to boot.

5 goals in 5 games. Ovie is heating up.

8 more goals to pass Jagr for third all time. 17 more points to pass Robitaille for first all time in points for a LW.

 

[User9992]

Two more goals for Ovie! Two very clutch goals, to boot.

5 goals in 5 games. Ovie is heating up.

8 more goals to pass Jagr for third all time. 17 more points to pass Robitaille for first all time in points for a LW.

I hope he reaches 50 goals & 100 points marks once again!

He has to score 21 goals & 42 points in remaining 40 games of the season.

 

[mad4comp]

That is also speculation.

Not really.. he wanted more money.. that was known.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Not really.. he wanted more money.. that was known.

You don't know if he would have stayed or gone. All speculation.

 

[DRW895]

Greatest player of the era on his way

 

[Caps8112]

You don't know if he would have stayed or gone. All speculation.

Pretty sure trotz and management were going their separate ways and that had been decided before the playoffs. Then the team accidentally got hot and became the team they were suppose to be and won the whole thing

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Pretty sure trotz and management were going their separate ways and that had been decided before the playoffs. Then the team accidentally got hot and became the team they were suppose to be and won the whole thing

Yeah I know, I was just replying to someone who was saying Trotz would have stayed if caps matched NYIs offer. They were saying the bolded was just speculation but said Trotz would've stayed if he'd been given a bigger contract as if it was some kind of a fact when really it's just speculation as well.

 

[andrjusha]

With another all-important first goal Ovi is now one first goal behind Brett Hull for second all-time with 130
NHL Stats

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Two more goals for Ovie! Two very clutch goals, to boot.

5 goals in 5 games. Ovie is heating up.

8 more goals to pass Jagr for third all time. 17 more points to pass Robitaille for first all time in points for a LW.

Hopeful he gets 50 this year. I was about to ask if he would be the oldest Rocket Richard winner but he already is and would only be topping his own record.

 

[Leafslet]

"ov only scores from his office on the pp!"

ov, literally scoring multiple times in a game right in front of the net battling for space.

 

[Fitzy]

I can't remember the last time a 35+ year old was a Hart Candidate. Hard to believe Jagr was 3 years younger in 2006. I guess maybe Selanne in 2007 qualifies but he only finished 9th.

 

[WarriorofTime]

759 career goals, Gretzky finished at 894 career goals. 135 goals to go to catch Gretzky. 135 goals "ago", Ovechkin was at 624 goals, his 624th career goal was scored on November 24, 2018 in a 5-3 win over the New York Rangers. For a comparison of how long it's taken him to get his most recent 135 goals, that is 213 games played and roughly 3 years and 2 months in time.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I can't remember the last time a 35+ year old was a Hart Candidate. Hard to believe Jagr was 3 years younger in 2006. I guess maybe Selanne in 2007 qualifies but he only finished 9th.

The oldest to win the Hart Trophy were Herb Gardiner (1926-27) and Eddie Shore (1937-38).. someone can compare their birthdays to see who was technically older, but they were both 35. If Ovechkin were to win it this year, he would become the oldest in NHL history.

Just scrolling through years for Finalists, I used 34 as my arbitrary cutoff:

Martin St. Louis was 35 and finished third in 2010-11

Martin Brodeur was 34 and finished third in 2006-07

Patrick Roy was 36 and finished third in 2001-02

Mario Lemieux was 35 and finished 2nd in 2000-01

Dominik Hasek was 34 and finished 3rd in 1998-99

Mark Messier was 35 and finished 2nd in 1995-96

Tony Esposito was 35 and finished 3rd in 1979-80

Jean Beliveau was 37 and finished 2nd in 1968-69

Jean Beliveau was 36 and finished 2nd in 1967-68

Jean Beliveau was 34 and finished 2nd in 1965-66

Gordie Howe was 36 and finished 3rd in 1964-65

Gordie Howe was 35 and finished 3rd in 1963-64

Gordie Howe was 34 and finished 1st in 1963-63

Doug Harvey was 37 and finished 2nd in 1961-62

Johnny Bower was 36 and finished 2nd in 1960-61

Elmer Lach was 34 and finished 2nd in 1951-52

Eddie Shore was 35 and finished 1st in 1937-38

Lionel Conacher was 35 and finished 2nd in 1936-37

Bill Cook was 36 and finished 2nd in 1932-33

Herb Gardiner was 35 and finished 1st in 1926-27

Sprague Cleghorn was 35 and finished 2nd in 1925-26

The fact that only 1 Non-Goaltender 34 or older has finished Top 3 in the last 20 years is pretty remarkable and shows how rare and hard that is to accomplish. The NHL is just way too competitive with a large international player pool these days for old guys to dominate like this. As you see, it was more commo of an occurrence, in particular for non-Goaltenders, over 50 years ago. Messier, Lemieux and St. Louis are the only ones to finish top 3 outside of Goaltenders in the last 50 years.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

I can't remember the last time a 35+ year old was a Hart Candidate. Hard to believe Jagr was 3 years younger in 2006. I guess maybe Selanne in 2007 qualifies but he only finished 9th.

Marty St-Louis won the Art Ross at age 37. He finished 9th as well.

 

[User9992]

The oldest to win the Hart Trophy were Herb Gardiner (1926-27) and Eddie Shore (1937-38).. someone can compare their birthdays to see who was technically older, but they were both 35. If Ovechkin were to win it this year, he would become the oldest in NHL history.

Imagine if Ovi wins Hart & Rocket this year, then passes Gretzky for the most goals. Very unlikely though... Would that cement his legacy among All-Time Greats of NHL?

 

[User9992]

Marty St-Louis won the Art Ross at age 37. He finished 9th as well.

MSL was a late bloomer if I am not mistaken. Ovi was a early bloomer... his best years were his first 5 years.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I can't remember the last time a 35+ year old was a Hart Candidate. Hard to believe Jagr was 3 years younger in 2006. I guess maybe Selanne in 2007 qualifies but he only finished 9th.

It's happened a few times over the past 50-60 years, but it's rare:

• Gordie Howe finished 3rd in Hart voting for the 1965-66 season. By the end of the regular season, he was already 38.
• Jean Beliveau was runner-up for the 1968-69 season, and by the end of the regular season, he was 37.
• Mark Messier was runner-up for the 1995-96 campaign. He was 35 by the end of the year.
  
• Mario Lemieux was runner-up during 2001-01. He was 35 by the end of the year.
• Patrick Roy finished 3rd in Hart voting for the 2001-02 season. He was 36 by the end of the year

The take-aways from this? Ovechkin, if he's able to pull this off, is in really good company. He'd be the first 35+ year old Hart finalist in 20 years. And he'd be the first 35+ Hart winner since Eddie Shore, which was before WWII.

EDIT - looks like @WarriorOfGandhi beat me to it. I was missing St. Louis (2011) and Esposito (1980).

 

[andrjusha]

The oldest to win the Hart Trophy were Herb Gardiner (1926-27) and Eddie Shore (1937-38).. someone can compare their birthdays to see who was technically older, but they were both 35. If Ovechkin were to win it this year, he would become the oldest in NHL history.

Just scrolling through years for Finalists, I used 34 as my arbitrary cutoff:

Martin St. Louis was 35 and finished third in 2010-11

Martin Brodeur was 34 and finished third in 2006-07

Patrick Roy was 36 and finished third in 2001-02

Mario Lemieux was 35 and finished 2nd in 2000-01

Dominik Hasek was 34 and finished 3rd in 1998-99

Mark Messier was 35 and finished 2nd in 1995-96

Tony Esposito was 35 and finished 3rd in 1979-80

Jean Beliveau was 37 and finished 2nd in 1968-69

Jean Beliveau was 36 and finished 2nd in 1967-68

Jean Beliveau was 34 and finished 2nd in 1965-66

Gordie Howe was 36 and finished 3rd in 1964-65

Gordie Howe was 35 and finished 3rd in 1963-64

Gordie Howe was 34 and finished 1st in 1963-63

Doug Harvey was 37 and finished 2nd in 1961-62

Johnny Bower was 36 and finished 2nd in 1960-61

Elmer Lach was 34 and finished 2nd in 1951-52

Eddie Shore was 35 and finished 1st in 1937-38

Lionel Conacher was 35 and finished 2nd in 1936-37

Bill Cook was 36 and finished 2nd in 1932-33

Herb Gardiner was 35 and finished 1st in 1926-27

Sprague Cleghorn was 35 and finished 2nd in 1925-26

The fact that only 1 Non-Goaltender 34 or older has finished Top 3 in the last 20 years is pretty remarkable and shows how rare and hard that is to accomplish. The NHL is just way too competitive with a large international player pool these days for old guys to dominate like this. As you see, it was more commo of an occurrence, in particular for non-Goaltenders, over 50 years ago. Messier, Lemieux and St. Louis are the only ones to finish top 3 outside of Goaltenders in the last 50 years.

I wonder what was average NHL player age at those olden years, they all look like old man, maybe its just people visibly aging early those days.

 

[BallardEra]

Hopeful he gets 50 this year. I was about to ask if he would be the oldest Rocket Richard winner but he already is and would only be topping his own record.

Selanne also has the record of most goals scored in an age 36 season with 48.

 

[BallardEra]

759 career goals, Gretzky finished at 894 career goals. 135 goals to go to catch Gretzky. 135 goals "ago", Ovechkin was at 624 goals, his 624th career goal was scored on November 24, 2018 in a 5-3 win over the New York Rangers. For a comparison of how long it's taken him to get his most recent 135 goals, that is 213 games played and roughly 3 years and 2 months in time.

135 goals in 213 games played is a .634 goals per game pace and a 52 goal pace over an 82 game season.

Ovechkin's career goals per game rate is .613

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

759 career goals, Gretzky finished at 894 career goals. 135 goals to go to catch Gretzky. 135 goals "ago", Ovechkin was at 624 goals, his 624th career goal was scored on November 24, 2018 in a 5-3 win over the New York Rangers. For a comparison of how long it's taken him to get his most recent 135 goals, that is 213 games played and roughly 3 years and 2 months in time.

.634 goals per game. Actually higher than his career goals per game. Incredible!

Oops. Kind of a redundant post.

 

[Fallschirmyager]

All of what you said is speculation and none of it is rooted in truth. If we offered Trotz the same contract he got with the Isles.. you think he leaves? I'm sorry, but he doesn't.

Ted was just being a cheapo owner... and his stupid blog post shortly after pretty much cemented that fact.

Not really.. he wanted more money.. that was known.

It wasn't how much the contract offer was to Trotz. I seem to recall an article stating that management was considering firing him mid season when the team wasn't playing well so they weren't willing to talk about an extension. I also remember an article stating1 Trotz telling Torts at the end of the CBJ series he was gone no matter what. He was offended they didn't offer a contract earlier so he was leaving. Apparently his contract demand in term and money was intended to make them say no. It's a shame because I think the CAPS could have had another deep run or two but the CAPS also had the heir apparent already on the team. I think both got it wrong.

 

[SwedishFire]

At the same time, I would not be surprised if that internal target for Ovi is to hit 1000 or so

I am 100% sure he wants his name to be written in the history as "greatest goal scorer of all time", and beating Gretzky by 5-10 goals just does not cut the bill

So, he will work hard to stay 50 goal scorer for rest of the contract.

Ovie tries to not think of it I belive. The number I think he has in his head may be 800 goals. Its only the few that got there, and its whitin reach to get you motivated.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

I think the number he has in mind is #760. One goal at a time.