Ovechkin has lead his team in goals and points 10 straight years, what's the record?
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I'm not sure, but I counted 11 times for Dale Hawerchuk (consecutive times in leading one's team in points). That started in Winnipeg in 1981-82 and extending until 1991-92 in Buffalo. I counted nine times for Howe, and seven for Denis Savard. The answer is no for Bobby Hull as well.
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Gretzky lead his team in points for the first 13 consecutive years of his career(both with Edmonton, and LA) only interrupted by his injury in the 92-93 season. He lead his team in goals for the first 6 consecutive years of his career until he was beaten by his linemate Kurri in 85-86(Wayne had 163 assists though so its hard to really fault the guy)
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Well, so far we've found nobody but Ovechkin who did it for ten straight seasons. I wasn't aware of this, so thanks for pointing it out.
The margin of 'win' on his team, in goals, in each of ten seasons:
52 -- 23
46 -- 38
65 -- 26
56 -- 34
50 -- 40
32 -- 28
38 -- 21
32 -- 19
51 -- 25
53 -- 21
I mean, that's pretty ridiculous! (Also makes me wonder where the Caps would have been for ten years without him...) He actually tied with Backstrom for the overall team scoring lead in 2014, but he still destroyed all teammates in goals.
So, there are players who can beat Ovie in consecutive team scoring leads (Gretzky and Hawerchuk are mentioned so far), but has anyone led his team in goals for ten years? Great question. I can't think of anyone.
This leads to another question: What's the biggest margin of 'victory' among teammates for a seasonal goal-scoring lead? Ovechkin's 39 goal 'win' on the 2008 Capitals must be the most in the Bettman era, isn't it?
I don't think there are too many guys who've led their teams by as many as 30 goals. As for all-time, a few obvious names come up:
- Bossy led the Isles by 32 goals over Kallur in 1981
- Gretzky led the Oilers by 42 goals over Messier in 1982
- Gretzky led the Oilers by 33 goals over Anderson in 1984
- Mario led the Penguins by 30 goals over Quinn in 1988
- Mario led the Penguins by 36 goals over Brown in 1989
- Selanne led the Jets by 48 goals over Tkachuk in 1993
Those are (not surprisingly) the only guys I can find so far who led a team in goal-scoring by 30 goals or more. And the only ones who 'beat' Ovechkin's 2008 team goal dominance are Gretzky in 1982 and Selanne's unbelievable 48 goal-lead in 1993. There may be more. Anyway, pretty impressive stuff for Ovie.
The margin of 'win' on his team, in goals, in each of ten seasons:
52 -- 23
46 -- 38
65 -- 26
56 -- 34
50 -- 40
32 -- 28
38 -- 21
32 -- 19
51 -- 25
53 -- 21
I mean, that's pretty ridiculous! (Also makes me wonder where the Caps would have been for ten years without him...) He actually tied with Backstrom for the overall team scoring lead in 2014, but he still destroyed all teammates in goals.
So, there are players who can beat Ovie in consecutive team scoring leads (Gretzky and Hawerchuk are mentioned so far), but has anyone led his team in goals for ten years? Great question. I can't think of anyone.
This leads to another question: What's the biggest margin of 'victory' among teammates for a seasonal goal-scoring lead? Ovechkin's 39 goal 'win' on the 2008 Capitals must be the most in the Bettman era, isn't it?
I don't think there are too many guys who've led their teams by as many as 30 goals. As for all-time, a few obvious names come up:
- Bossy led the Isles by 32 goals over Kallur in 1981
- Gretzky led the Oilers by 42 goals over Messier in 1982
- Gretzky led the Oilers by 33 goals over Anderson in 1984
- Mario led the Penguins by 30 goals over Quinn in 1988
- Mario led the Penguins by 36 goals over Brown in 1989
- Selanne led the Jets by 48 goals over Tkachuk in 1993
Those are (not surprisingly) the only guys I can find so far who led a team in goal-scoring by 30 goals or more. And the only ones who 'beat' Ovechkin's 2008 team goal dominance are Gretzky in 1982 and Selanne's unbelievable 48 goal-lead in 1993. There may be more. Anyway, pretty impressive stuff for Ovie.
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I missed the obvious!! Mike Bossy.
He led the Islanders in goals for 10 straight seasons. Every season he played, he led his teams in goals (he actually tied with Lafontaine in season 10, but had a much better GPG).
So, Ovie has company with (at least) Bossy in 10 years of goal-scoring team dominance.
But has anyone else led in both goals and points for 10 straight seasons? I doubt it.
He led the Islanders in goals for 10 straight seasons. Every season he played, he led his teams in goals (he actually tied with Lafontaine in season 10, but had a much better GPG).
So, Ovie has company with (at least) Bossy in 10 years of goal-scoring team dominance.
But has anyone else led in both goals and points for 10 straight seasons? I doubt it.
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Gordie Howe holds the record for most consecutive years leading his team in goals with 11 (49-50 to 59-60). Bossy and Ovechkin have 10. Bobby Hull also had 10, but was tied with Mikita in one of those seasons.
As mentioned earlier, Gretzky holds the record for points with 13.
As far as I can tell, Ovechkin is the only player to lead his team in both goals and points for 10 straight seasons.
Jarome Iginla had a stretch from 00-01 to 11-12 where he led Calgary in points all 11 years, and led in goals in 10 of them.
As mentioned earlier, Gretzky holds the record for points with 13.
As far as I can tell, Ovechkin is the only player to lead his team in both goals and points for 10 straight seasons.
Jarome Iginla had a stretch from 00-01 to 11-12 where he led Calgary in points all 11 years, and led in goals in 10 of them.
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Im too lazy to check, but who led them the one time he didn't? Camalleri? Tanguay?
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Thanks to all of you for your answers. I checked Iginla, thought about maybe some of the players from the earlier era who could have done it quietly.
So it appears that Ovechkin holds the record for the lead combination, while Howe has a record for the goal leads with 11 and Gretzky hold the point leads record with 13. Really shows Ovechkin's great longevity and highlights Caps' lack of top depth (he even led the team with mediocre 65 points in 2011-12 and 32 goals in 2010-11).
Another thing that I noticed when looking at the stats, that Howe only lost the points lead once during 1950-1964: if not for Dutch Reibel, he would have Gretzky beat and lead the Red Wings for amazing 14 consecutive years! May I ask a question while we're still here: what's the story behind Reibel? I read that he was extremely upset after being traded from the Wings, but what made him a candidate for trade first? What made his game fall off after 3 extremely strong seasons - an injury, or maybe he just lost the fire after winning 2 Cups?
Of the top of my head, Stamkos lead Tampa by 35 goals in his 60 goal season, and obviously Brett Hull's historic 1990-91 86 goal campaign, when he led the entire NHL by 35 goals and had an astonishing 59 goal lead on Geoff Courtnall, the Blues 2nd best goal scorer! Also led St.Louis by 38 goals the year before and by 37 goals the year later.
So it appears that Ovechkin holds the record for the lead combination, while Howe has a record for the goal leads with 11 and Gretzky hold the point leads record with 13. Really shows Ovechkin's great longevity and highlights Caps' lack of top depth (he even led the team with mediocre 65 points in 2011-12 and 32 goals in 2010-11).
Another thing that I noticed when looking at the stats, that Howe only lost the points lead once during 1950-1964: if not for Dutch Reibel, he would have Gretzky beat and lead the Red Wings for amazing 14 consecutive years! May I ask a question while we're still here: what's the story behind Reibel? I read that he was extremely upset after being traded from the Wings, but what made him a candidate for trade first? What made his game fall off after 3 extremely strong seasons - an injury, or maybe he just lost the fire after winning 2 Cups?
Of the top of my head, Stamkos lead Tampa by 35 goals in his 60 goal season, and obviously Brett Hull's historic 1990-91 86 goal campaign, when he led the entire NHL by 35 goals and had an astonishing 59 goal lead on Geoff Courtnall, the Blues 2nd best goal scorer! Also led St.Louis by 38 goals the year before and by 37 goals the year later.
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Hey, I forgot to check Gretzky for post #2. It's the hidden in plain view phenomenon.
Another one of note-Bure had a 45 goal lead on second place on the 2000-2001 Panthers.
Really really bad argument in my opinion. Think how many years Gretzky could've done it without the back injury? Injuries are not an excuse and sitting out even less so.
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After some more spot-checking I actually haven't found anyone that's even close. Best I've found is Iginla with 7, and Gretzky and Yzerman with 6. That's still quite far from 10.
There must be someone else. Can anyone with access to a database run a query to find the actual top list?
There must be someone else. Can anyone with access to a database run a query to find the actual top list?
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Hippasus
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Maybe someone who played pre-1930s comes closer than Iginla, but I don't think there is anyone who touches Ovechkin in this. It's a somewhat specific record.
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It seems a bit unfair that Gretzky doesn't get credit for 7. Regarding 1984-1985, he was 2nd in goals on the Oilers. Jari Kurri beat him in goals 73 to 71. Gretzky assisted on 56 of Kurri's goals.
