Proposal: Ottawa and Arizona

[KevinRedkey]

To Ottawa:
Derek Stepan - 1yr @6.500

To Arizona:
DAL 2nd round pick (~60th overall)

Arizona is tight up against the cap and could use some relief. 6.500 is no chump change in the flat cap world. They also have no picks in the first 3 rounds, and no 1st or 3rd next year. I assume they would welcome a pick at this point.

Ottawa could use a stopgap center if they trade Tierney. They can also recoup assets for Stepan at the deadline, and his salary is only 2.000 once his bonus is paid.

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[Crosside]

Why it s Sens give the second ?

 

[rt]

I would do this as an Arizona fan.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Arizona can at least give Ottawa a draft pick for doing them such a big favor. That deal as is really doesn't do anything for Ottawa.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Assume Stepan has a bonus being paid out prior? If so and I'm Arizona, I'm asking for more considering Eugenes situation, history of dealing assets for cash savings and cap circumvention goals.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Make it a 3rd. And that's if we trade Tierney for a good deal.

 

[rt]

Assume Stepan has a bonus being paid out prior? If so and I'm Arizona, I'm asking for more considering Eugenes situation, history of dealing assets for cash savings and cap circumvention goals.

He’s due just $2m in actual cash for next season

 

[DingDongCharlie]

The thing people over look is Ottawa doesn't need these deals as they won't have a problem reaching the floor. The pick is on the wrong side. Edmonton as an example will pay you to take Russell 1yr $4 million, only $1.5 million in actual cash.

Moving Stepan helps Arizona a lot more than it helps Ottawa.

 

[Upgrayedd]

He’s due just $2m in actual cash for next season

Always safe to assume on the side of cheapness with the Sens, assume the op like most fans knows this so its a realistic trade option, still think Arizona and other team should take advantage and really give Eugene the gears!

 

[rt]

Always safe to assume on the side of cheapness with the Sens, assume the op like most fans knows this so its a realistic trade option, still think Arizona and other team should take advantage and really give Eugene the gears!

Stepan isn’t old and is pretty good. He was probably Arizona’s best all-around forward in the playoffs (which isn’t saying much). His offense nose-dived in AZ under Tocchet. But so did every other player Chayka brought in to play for that staff. Would not surprise me at all to see a notable uptick in productivity from Stepan, and the Sens recoup that 2nd and more at the TDL. Playoff teams usually want right handed centers that are really solid defensively. Say what you want about Stepan, he’s at least that.

There is a tendency for fans to think overpaid players are bad. Stepan would a very nice player at half his cap-hit. He’s not bad. He’s just got a bloated cap-hit. If you’re looking at pure salary, at $2m, he’s FANTASTIC value. He’s probably worth twice that.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

No chance Ottawa gives up a 2nd for Stepan. I'd do Anisimov and a mid pick, or Tierney for Stepan and a pick.

 

[RationalExpectations]

6.5m for a 40 point forward, you won't get a 2nd for that... he has some value if Arizona retains 50 per cent but that is not enough to resign Hall. If not look at Marleau last year for benchmark, a 1st went the other way

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

6.5m for a 40 point forward, you won't get a 2nd for that... he has some value if Arizona retains 50 per cent but that is not enough to resign Hall. If not look at Marleau last year for benchmark, a 1st went the other way

Stepan is much better than Marleau was but teams certainly wont be lining up for him

 

[RationalExpectations]

Stepan is much better than Marleau was but teams certainly wont be lining up for him

As far as point production and +/- goes Marleau 18/19 compares quite well with Stepan 19/20...

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

As far as point production and +/- goes Marleau 18/19 compares quite well with Stepan 19/20...

Marleau put those numbers up on a run and gun offensive team while being substandard defensively; Stepan posted his on a team where no one broke 45 points and he was relied on defensively. Theres also the fact that Marleau was almost 10 years older than Stepan is, which generally means you can account for a *slightly* larger fall off. Add in the fact that Marleau had a full NMC and would only play for one team.... and the two really arent comparable.

 

[rt]

Marleau put those numbers up on a run and gun offensive team while being substandard defensively; Stepan posted his on a team where no one broke 45 points and he was relied on defensively. Theres also the fact that Marleau was almost 10 years older than Stepan is, which generally means you can account for a *slightly* larger fall off. Add in the fact that Marleau had a full NMC and would only play for one team.... and the two really arent comparable.

Not even a little. It’s nonsense narrative.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Not even a little. It’s nonsense narrative.

Yeah. Stepans value is certainly hurt by his contract, simply because it severely limits the market for him (every team would love him at his salary, but many can’t justify his cap hit) but to a team like the Sens or any other team that isn’t spending to the cap, he’s not an anchor by any means.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Stepan for Anisimov straight up makes sense. Similar production the past two seasons, both C, Arizona saves 2M in cap and Ottawa 1M in cash.

 

[_Del_]

I think Stepan is valuable to Arizona for the exact same reason he'd be attractive to Ottawa. Only $2 million salary for a good middle-six C-- one of only three NHL centers under contract (if you don't count Hayton, one of two), and the coach's favourite. Doubt he gets moved before the deadline.
I don't think Hall factors because I don't think there's a chance he actually signs. And I don't think they look at Stepan at $2M as something they need to dump.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Stepan isn’t old and is pretty good. He was probably Arizona’s best all-around forward in the playoffs (which isn’t saying much). His offense nose-dived in AZ under Tocchet. But so did every other player Chayka brought in to play for that staff. Would not surprise me at all to see a notable uptick in productivity from Stepan, and the Sens recoup that 2nd and more at the TDL. Playoff teams usually want right handed centers that are really solid defensively. Say what you want about Stepan, he’s at least that.

There is a tendency for fans to think overpaid players are bad. Stepan would a very nice player at half his cap-hit. He’s not bad. He’s just got a bloated cap-hit. If you’re looking at pure salary, at $2m, he’s FANTASTIC value. He’s probably worth twice that.

Will certainly take your word for it, on ice product and being competive is literally the last thing owneship in Ottawa looks at, this team is an excersize in maximizing the profit while minimizing the input!

 

[KevinRedkey]

No chance Ottawa gives up a 2nd for Stepan. I'd do Anisimov and a mid pick, or Tierney for Stepan and a pick.

Lol

 

[DingDongCharlie]

You called it but man how any Sen fan can be happy about giving this pick when Haula literally sat for 2 months and signed for less is beyond me.

 

[Langdon Alger]

No chance Ottawa gives up a 2nd for Stepan.

Can’t fault you for thinking this, but yeah, this didn’t age well.

 

[robsenz]

Kevin8se7en, Next time propose a slightly better deal for Ottawa to help guide Dorion when he logs on here next.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Lol

Lol. There should have been no chance but good call