OT following the NFL/NFLPA work stoppage; UPD agreement reached

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  1. Pepper

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    According to SBJ, NFLPA has officially decertified.


    Edit: Mod Note:

    I've moved the last few posts from the "potential" thread into a dedicated actual work stoppage thread for NFL.
     
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    SBJLizMullen 4:40pm via Web Breaking--NFLPA lawsuit:Union seeking a declaration that NFL salary cap, franchise tag, other restrictions violate the Sherman Antitrust Act
    NFL Players lawsuit seeks to enjoin the NFL "from agreeing to deprive the players of the ability to work as professional football players"
    NFL Players Lawsuit seeks declaration NFL teams obligated to pay all contractually-owed amounts to players regardless if lockout continues
     
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    wow, they're going pretty big on this.

    obviously just to pressure the NFL, but man, could you imagine what would happen if they won even a single one of those lawsuits?
     
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    What exactly does decertify mean?

    On ESPN, they were saying that they were giving up their collective bargaining power in exchange for the inability of the owners to lock them out, but that made no sense at all.
     
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    It means that the NHLPA would cease to exist as a labor union and the terms of the expired CBA would cease to be in force. Individual players would be free to negotiate with individual teams and the league and any teams could not act collectively to restrict the employment of players without risking anti trust suits.

    All the restrictions which might be illegal restraints of trade if they were not negotiated in a CBA (draft rights, restricted free agency, etc) could now be challenged on anti-trust grounds. They would no longer be exempt from anti trust challenge (as products of collective bargaining). This is not to say that any or all of those restrictions would be on their face illegal - "reasonable" restraints are permitted - but that would have to be determined by a jury.

    The first issue that Judge Doty will have to rule on is whether the NFL can suspend operations and lock out the players after a decertification.
     
  7. Dado

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    Since existing contracts were negotiated under a CBA, does that mean all current contracts are null and void? Everybody a free agent from Ground Zero?
     
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    No.

    The NFLPA decertified in 1989 and the NFL played without a CBA for 4 years. Existing contracts remained in force.
     
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    The lockout has begun
    :towel::towel::towel::towel:
    :towel::towel::towel::towel:
     
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    The two sides are surprisingly close in dollar amounts. I honestly don't think this gets to a lockout at the actual start of the season six months from now unless one side wants more to prove something in court than to get on with the season.
     
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    Yawn.

    Call me if the NFL isn't in business by week four

    Either way, College Sports will be filling the gap
     
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    I agree with this 100%. It's possible that the NHL could even lose 'shelf space' is all the news coverage of a lockout crowds them out.
     
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    since i've ordered stuff from the NFL before i'm on their email list and yesterday i got an email 'from Roger Goodell'. most of it was how it was the NFLPA that "walked away from mediation" even though the NFL offered a deal where "everyone would prosper." aside from all the fluff making the PA look like the bad guys, here is the only substance from the email:


     
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    Thanks for the info. Nothing like a dude making things clear. Pretty interesting to follow.

    An attempt to put pressure on the league or we really face one season without NFL?
     
  17. Dado

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    The letter sent out to players by the league/teams says compensation is terminated - in your opinion is that likely to survive a challenge? And if it does, doesn't that imply all players have immediately become free agents?
     
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    That's what Tom Brady vs NFL is partially about. We shall see.
     
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    No. The NFL owners are attempting to lock out the players - similar to what the NHL owners did in '04-'05. The League is suspending the players employment - the players will not be able to provide services and will not get paid. Just like the NHL players did not become UFAs - neither will the NFL players - there still exist valid player contracts.

    The first big question that will have to be answered by Judge Doty is whether the Lockout is permissible - or is an illegal group boycott on the part of the owners. The NFLPA has already filed for an injunction.

    In the NHL case the NHL & NHLPA were still technically engaged in collective bargaining and a strike/lockout were legally permissible actions under labor law.

    In the NFL case, that may not be the case after decertification - it will be up to the courts to decide.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/sports/football/13judge.html
    The piece goes on to discuss the history behind how that Minneapolis court became the venue for all NFL/NFLPA legal actions going back to Mackey v NFL in the 70s - the first NFL anti trust challenge which threw out the Rozelle Rule.
     
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    so lets say the lockout is illegal .... whats to stop the NFL from disbanding and reforming as the NFA ?
     
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    the contracts they have in place with players?
     
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    All non-guaranteed. They could cut all of them right now, pay out any bonuses in the deals, and be done.
     
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    The fact that they would be abrogating about $8B in broadcast deal (plus a huge number of other contracts) and that it would be just as illegal for the NFA teams to act in concert and lock out the players as it would be for the NFL.

    Now, hypothetically they could disband and try to reform under a single entity ownership model - but I highly doubt that that would get past the FTC, DoJ, NLRB, and the courts.
     

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