A few years back I was listening to a radio call in show asking who was the best defenseman ever. Most said Orr, in fact the only one I remember not saying Orr was an older sounding man who felt Harvey was better. His reason was that Orr may have been offensive but he couldnt stop Gordie Howe in his tracks the way that Harvey could. Meaning that harvey was more well rounded. I'll be the first to admit that Harvey is my second pick as the best defenseman ever followed by Shore. But I wouldnt put him over Orr. But this isnt the first time I heard this one. Harvey, although its rare, is sometimes considered the best defenseman of all time. Orr: 9 time all-star two time Cup winner, three time Hart Trophy winner, 8 straight Norris Trophies Harvey: 12 time all-star, 6 time Cup winner, 8 time Norris Trophy winner. Now keep in mind Orr had a shortened career where as Harvey's was normal. Harvey's Canadiens were better than orr's Bruins so he would have never won he Hart Trophy since guys like the Richards, Beliveau, Moore, Geoffrion and Plante were there. But he definetly didnt control a game the way Orr did. Orr killed penalties all by himself. Harvey could control a game but not in the way Orr could. Orr won scoring titles. And I dont know of any defenseman that will ever do that again. To me its Orr #1, and Harvey #2. But I'd like to know who disagrees or agrees.