Prospect Info: Oilers TOP prospects through the years here at HF (1998 to current)

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For your amusement

here is the breakdown of HF listings of Oiler prospects over the decades

1998

1. Michel Riesen - LW, 6-2 185
2. Tom Poti - D, 6-2 190
3. Michael Henrich - RW, 6-2 205
4. Chris Hajt - D, 6-3 210
5. Dan LaCouture - LW, 6-3, 210
6. Joe Hulbig - LW, 6-4 215
7. Matthieu Descoteaux, D, 6-3 190
8. Georges Laraque - RW, 6-4 235
9. Sean Brown - D, 6-4 215
10.Steve Passmore - G, 5-8 170
11.Patrick Dovigi - G 6-1 190
12.Tim Thomas - G 5-11 195
13.Adam Copeland - RW, 6-2, 200
14.Brad Norton - D, 6-6, 235
15.Peter Sarno - C, 6-0, 185
16.Paul Comrie - RW/LW, 5-11, 180

1999

Top 19 Prospects
1. Michel Riesen - LW
2. Michael Henrich - RW
3. Dan Cleary- LW
4. Chris Hajt - D
5. Alex Henry - D
6. Steve Passmore - G
7. Paul Comrie - RW/LW
8. Matthieu Descoteaux, D
9. Vladimir Vorobiev, W
10.Alexander Fomitchev - G
11.Jason Chimera - C/LW
12.Eric Heffler - G
13.Dan Lacouture - LW
14.Frederik Linquist - LW/C
15.Peter Sarno - C
16.Chad Hinz - C
17.Brad Norton - D
18.Mike Minard - G
19.Pat Dovigi - G

2000

LW
C
RW
1. Jani Rita 7
2. Alexei Mikhnov 7
3. Brad Winchester 6
4. Tony Salmelainen 6
5. Dan Lacoutre 5
6. Oleg Smirnov 5
1. Mike Comrie 7
2. Shawn Horcoff 7
3. Brian Swanson 6
4. Jason Chimera 5
5. Peter Sarno 5
6. Lou Dickenson 5
7. Matthew Lombardi 5
8. Chad Hinz 5
1. Michel Riesen 8
2. Michael Henrich 8
3. Paul Comrie 5
4. Shaun Norrie 5
5. Alexandre Volchkov 5
D
1. Alexei Semenov 6
2. Chris Hajt 6
3. Alex Henry 6
4. Alexander Ljubimov 6
5. Paul Flache 5
6. Jonathan Fauteaux 5
7. Sergei Yerkovich 5
8. Brad Norton 4
9. Christian Chartier 4
10. Jason Platt 4
G
1. Eric Heffler 5
2. Adam Hauser 5
3. Kristian Antilla 5
4. Alexander Fomitchev 4

2001

LW
C
RW
1. Jani Rita 7
2. Alexei Mikhnov 7
3. Brad Winchester 6
4. Tony Salmelainen 6
5. Paul Comrie 6
6. Oleg Smirnov 4
1. Eddie Caron 6.5
2. Jason Chimera 6
3. Brian Swanson 4.5
4. Peter Sarno 4.5
5. Lou Dickenson 4.5
6. Matthew Lombardi 4
7. Chad Hinz 4
1. Ales Hemsky 7
2. Michael Henrich 7
3. Shaun Norrie 5
D
1. Alexei Semenov 7
2. Doug Lynch 6.5
3. Alexander Ljubimov 6
4. Jan Horacek 6
5. Alex Henry 5.5
6. Chris Hajt 5
7. Marc-Andre Bergeron 5
G
1. Ty Conklin 6
2. Adam Hauser 5.5
3. Kristian Antilla 5
4. Alexander Fomitchev 5
5. Eric Heffler 4

2002

LW
C
RW
1. Jani Rita 6
2. Alexei Mikhnov 6
3. Jason Chimera 4
1. Jesse Niinimäki 6
2. Brad Winchester 5
3. Jarret Stoll 4.5
4. Eddie Caron 3
1. Ales Hemsky 7
2. Tony Salmelainen 3
3. Michael Henrich 3
D
1. Alexei Semenov 6
2. Doug Lynch 5.5
3. Bobby Allen 5
4. Kenny Smith 4
5. Matthew Greene 3.5
6. Jan Horacek 3
7. Alex Henry 3
8. Alexander Ljubimov 3
G
1. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 7
2. Ty Conklin 4

2003

LW
C
RW
1. Jani Rita 8
2. Raffi Torres 7
3. Alexei Mikhnov 7
4. J.F. Jacques 5
5. Dan Baum 5
6. Tomas Micka 4.5
7. Dragan Umicevic 4.5
8. Jean-Francois Dufort 3.5
9. Sean McAslan 3
10. Nate DiCasmirro 3
11. Patrick Murphy 3
1. Jarret Stoll 7
2. Jesse Niinimäki 7
3. Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7
4. Brad Winchester 6.5
5. Mishail Joukov 5
6. Kyle Brodziak 5
7. Peter Sarno 4.5
8. Dwight Helminen 4.5
9. Brock Radunske 4.5
10. Jonas Almtorp 4
11. Fredrik Johansson 4
12. Joe Cullen 4
13. Eddie Caron 3.5
14. Chris Legg 3.5
15. Chad Hinz 3
16. J.J. Hunter 3
17. Kalle Olsson 3
18. Jake Brenk 3
19. Mike Bishai 2.5
1. Tony Salmelainen 6.5
2. Colin McDonald 6
3. Michael Henrich 4.5
4. Zach Stortini 4.5
5. Troy Bodie 3.5
D
1. Doug Lynch 6.5
2. Marc-Andre Bergeron 5
3. Bobby Allen 5
4. Matthew Greene 5
5. Ivan Koltsov 5
6. Kenny Smith 4.5
7. Jan Horacek 4.5
8. Mikael Svensk 4.5
9. Jason Platt 4.5
10. Mathieu Roy 4
G
1. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 7.5
2. Ty Conklin 6
3. Glenn Fisher 4
4. Mike Morrison 3
5. Kristian Antilla 3

2004

LW
C
RW
1. Jani Rita 7C
2. Alexei Mikhnov 7C
3. J.F. Jacques 6C
4. Brock Radunske 5.5B
5. Liam Reddox 5B
6. Nate DiCasmirro 4.5B
7. Dragan Umicevic 4.5
8. Eddie Caron 4C
9. Tomas Micka 4
10. Sean McAslan 3
11. Patrick Murphy 3
1. Rob Schremp 8B
2. Jesse Niinimäki 7.5C
3. Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.5
4. Kyle Brodziak 6.5C
5. Joe Cullen 6C
6. Mike Bishai 5B
7. Dan Baum 5B
8. Fredrik Johansson 5
9. Misha Joukov 4.5C
10. Kalle Olsson 4.5
11. Geoff Paukovich 4.5
12. Jonas Almtorp 4B
13. Tyler Spurgeon 4
14. J.J. Hunter 3.5C
15. Jean-Francois Plourde 3.5
16. Jake Brenk 3C
1. Colin McDonald 6.5C
2. Tony Salmelainen 6.5B
3. Brad Winchester 6C
4. Zack Stortini 5
5. David Rohlfs 4.5
6. Stephane Goulet 4C
7. Troy Bodie 3.5C
D
1. Doug Lynch 7B
2. Matthew Greene 7B
3. Jeff Woywitka 7A
4. Marc-Andre Bergeron 6.5B
5. Tom Gilbert 6C
6. Roman Tesliuk 6C
7. Mikael Svensk 5
8. Kenny Smith 4.5
9. Jason Platt 4.5
10. Bryan Young 4.5
11. Max Gordichuk 4B
12. Ivan Koltsov 4
13. Josef Hrabal 3.5C
14. Brent Henley 3.5C
15. Mathieu Roy 3.5
G
1. Jeff Deslauriers 8B
2. Devan Dubnyk 7C
3. Glenn Fisher 4.5B
4. Bjorn Bjurling 4C
5. Mike Morrison 4
6. Kristian Antilla 3B

2005

Organizational Depth Chart
LW
C
RW
1. Alexei Mikhnov 7.0C
2. Dragan Umicevic 7.0C
3. Jani Rita 7.0C
4. J.F. Jacques 6.5C
5. Brock Radunske 5.5B
6. Liam Reddox 7.0D
7. Eddie Caron 6.0C
8. Evgeny Muratov 7.0F
9. Tomas Micka 4.5C
10. Patrick Murphy 4.0D
1. Rob Schremp 8.5B
2. Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.5B
3. Jesse Niinimäki 7.5C
4. Kyle Brodziak 6.5C
5. Mike Bishai 6.5C
6. Geoff Paukovich 5.5B
7. Kalle Olsson 5.5B
8. Martin St. Pierre 7.0D
9. Joe Cullen 6.0C
10. Dan Baum 5.0B
11. Fredrik Johansson 5.0B
12. J.J. Hunter 5.0B
13. Jonas Almtorp 5.5C
14. Misha Joukov 5.0C
15. Tyler Spurgeon 5.0C
16. Jake Brenk 5.0D
17. Jean-Francois Plourde 4.5D
1. Colin McDonald 6.5B
2. Brad Winchester 6.5C
3. Zack Stortini 5.5B
4. Tony Salmelainen 7.0D
5. David Rohlfs 6.0C
6. Simon Ferguson 5.0C
7. Stephane Goulet 5.0C
8. Troy Bodie 5.0C
D
1. Doug Lynch 7.0A
2. Jeff Woywitka 7.0A
3. Matthew Greene 7.0B
4. Marc-Andre Bergeron 6.5B
5. Roman Tesliuk 6.0B
6. Tom Gilbert 6.0C
7. Jason Platt 5.5C
8. Brent Henley 5.0C
9. Bryan Young 5.0C
10. Mathieu Roy 5.0C
11. Mikael Svensk 5.0C
12. Josef Hrabal 4.5C
13. Kenny Smith 4.5C
14. Max Gordichuk 4.5C
15. Jordan Little 5.0D
16. Ivan Koltsov 4.5D
G
1. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 8.5B
2. Devan Dubnyk 8.0C
3. Bjorn Bjurling 5.0C
4. Glenn Fisher 5.0C
5. Kristian Antilla 4.5C

2006

Organizational Depth Chart
LW
C
RW
1. J.F. Jacques 6.5B
2. Dragan Umicevic 7.0C
3. Viatcheslav Trukhno 6.5C
4. Alexei Mikhnov 7.0D
5. Fredrik Pettersson 7.0D
6. Liam Reddox 7.0D
7. Matt Glasser 5.5C
8. Brock Radunske 5.0C
9. Patrick Murphy 4.0D
10. Eddie Caron 0.5A
1. Rob Schremp 8.0B
2. Andrew Cogliano 8.0C
3. Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.0B
4. Geoff Paukovich 6.0B
5. Kyle Brodziak 6.0B
6. Patrick Thoresen 6.5C
7. Jonas Almtorp 5.5B
8. Tyler Spurgeon 5.5B
9. Chris Vande Velde 7.0D
10. Robby Dee 7.0D
11. Kalle Olsson 5.0C
12. Misha Joukov 5.0C
13. Dan Baum 4.5C
14. Fredrik Johansson 4.5C
1. Brad Winchester 6.0B
2. Colin McDonald 6.5C
3. Stephane Goulet 6.0C
4. Troy Bodie 6.0C
5. Zack Stortini 6.0C
D
1. Matt Greene 7.0A
2. Taylor Chorney 7.5C
3. Tom Gilbert 6.0B
4. Bryan Young 6.0C
5. Danny Syvret 6.0C
6. David Rohlfs 5.5C
7. Josef Hrabal 5.5C
8. Mathieu Roy 5.5C
9. Jason Platt 5.0C
10. Kenny Smith 5.0C
G
1. Devan Dubnyk 8.0C
2. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 7.5C
3. Glenn Fisher 6.0C

2007

Organizational Depth Chart
LW
C
RW
1. J.F. Jacques 6.5A
2. Alexei Mikhnov 7.0B
3. Viatcheslav Trukhno 7.0C
4. Dragan Umicevic 7.0D
5. Fredrik Pettersson 7.0D
6. Liam Reddox 7.0F
7. Brock Radunske 5.0C
8. Matt Glasser 5.0C
9. Patrick Murphy 5.0D
1. Rob Schremp 8.0B
2. Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.5B
3. Andrew Cogliano 8.0C
4. Patrick Thoresen 6.5C
5. Jonas Almtorp 5.5B
6. Tyler Spurgeon 5.5B
7. Chris Vande Velde 7.0D
8. Robby Dee 7.0D
9. Geoff Paukovich 6.0C
10. Kyle Brodziak 6.0C
11. Fredrik Johansson 5.0B
12. Kalle Olsson 5.0B
13. Tim Sestito 5.0C
14. Misha Joukov 4.0C
1. Colin McDonald 7.0C
2. Alexander Bumagin 7.0D
3. Stephane Goulet 6.0C
4. Zack Stortini 5.0B
5. Troy Bodie 5.5C
D
1. Ladislav Smid 8.0B
2. Matt Greene 7.0A
3. Tom Gilbert 6.5B
4. Jeff Petry 7.0C
5. Taylor Chorney 7.0C
6. Bryan Young 6.0B
7. Cody Wild 6.5C
8. Mathieu Roy 5.0A
9. Danny Syvret 6.0C
10. Josef Hrabal 6.0C
11. Theo Peckham 6.0C
12. David Rohlfs 5.5C
G
1. Devan Dubnyk 7.5C
2. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 6.5C
3. Bryan Pitton 6.0C
4. Glen Fischer 6

2008

Left Wingers
Rob Schremp 8.0D
Jean-Francois Jacques 6.5C
Slava Trukhno 6.5C
Liam Reddox 5.0A
Alexei Mikhnov 7.0D
Linus Omark 7.0D
Bryan Lerg 6.0C
Philippe Cornet 6.5D
William Quist 6.5F
Matt Glasser 4.0B
Centers
Riley Nash 7.5C
Chris Vande Velde 7.0C
Ryan O'Marra 6.0B
Ryan Potulny 6.5C
Milan Kytnar 6.0C
Teemu Hartikainen 6.0C
Tyler Spurgeon 6.5D
Tim Sestito 5.0B
Geoff Paukovich 5.0C
Robby Dee 4.0C
Mikhail Zhukov 3.0B
Right Wingers
Jordan Eberle 7.5C
Colin McDonald 6.0C
Stephane Goulet 5.0B
Alexander Bumagin 7.0F
David Rohlfs 5.0C
Defensemen
Jeff Petry 7.5B
Taylor Chorney 7.5B
Theo Peckham 6.5B
Cody Wild 7.0C
Alex Plante 7.0D
Defensemen
Johan Motin 6.0C
Josef Hrabal 6.0C
Bryan Young 5.0B
Sebastien Bisaillon 5.0B
Jordan Bendfeld 5.0C

added bonus

Team Strengths:
1 A plethora of utility role players
2 Depth at Center
3 Character & Leadership at all positions
4 Balanced Defensive corps
Team Weaknesses:
1 No non-pro goalies in system
2 Offense from the wings is thin
3 No Top-Tier Superstar Talents

2009

Left Wingers
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson 8.0C
Anton Lander 7.0C
Linus Omark 8.0D
Philippe Cornet 6.5C
Liam Reddox 5.0A
Rob Schremp 7.0D
Bryan Lerg 6.0C
Slava Trukhno 6.5D
William Quist 6.5F
Matt Glasser 4.0B
Centers
Riley Nash 7.5C
Teemu Hartikainen 6.5B
Milan Kytnar 6.0B
Chris Vande Velde 6.5C
Ryan O'Marra 6.0D
Geoff Paukovich 5.0C
Robby Dee 4.0C
Right Wingers
Jordan Eberle 7.5B
Colin McDonald 6.0C
Alexander Bumagin 7.0F
Defensemen
Theo Peckham 7.0B
Alex Plante 7.0C
Jeff Petry 7.0C
Taylor Chorney 6.5C
Defensemen
Johan Motin 6.0C
Cody Wild 6.5D
Troy Hesketh 6.5D
Jordan Bendfeld 5.0C
Goaltenders
Devan Dubnyk 7.0C
Olivier Roy 6.5C
Bryan Pitton 6.0C

2010

Left Wingers
Taylor Hall 9.0C
Magnus Paajarvi 8.0C
Linus Omark 7.0C
Anton Lander 6.5C
Philippe Cornet 6.5C
Curtis Hamilton 7.0D
Liam Reddox 5.0B
Alexander Bumagin 7.0F
Matt Marquardt 6.0D
William Quist 6.5F
Centers
Jordan Eberle 8.0C
Tyler Pitlick 7.5C
Chris Vande Velde 6.5B
Milan Kytnar 6.0B
Teemu Hartikainen 6.0C
Ryan O'Marra 6.5D
Ryan Martindale 7.5F
Robby Dee 4.0C
Right Wingers
Toni Rajala 7.5D
Colin McDonald 6.0D
Cameron Abney 5.0C
Defensemen
Jeff Petry 7.5C
Theo Peckham 6.5B
Alex Plante 7.0C
Martin Marincin 7.5D
Taylor Chorney 7.0D
Defensemen
Johan Motin 6.0C
Kyle Bigos 6.0C
Jeremie Blain 6.5D
Troy Hesketh 6.5D
Jordan Bendfeld 5.0C
Goaltenders
Devan Dubnyk 7.0D
Olivier Roy 7.0D
Bryan Pitton 6.0C

2011

Left Wingers
Curtis Hamilton 7.5C
Teemu Hartikainen 7.0C
Drew Czerwonka 6.0C
Kellen Jones 5.5C
Kristians Pelss 5.5C
Hunter Tremblay 5.0C
Philippe Cornet 5.0C
William Quist 4.0D
Centers
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 8.5C
Anton Lander 7.0B
Ryan Martindale 7.5D
Tyler Pitlick 7.5D
Travis Ewanyk 6.5C
Chris Vande Velde 6.0C
Milan Kytnar 6.0C
Ryan O'Marra 6.0C
Tanner House 6.5D
Mark Arcobello 5.5C
Right Wingers
Linus Omark 7.5C
Tobias Rieder 7.0D
Toni Rajala 6.0C
Antti Tyrvainen 5.5C
Cameron Abney 5.5D
Defensemen
Jeff Petry 7.5B
Oscar Klefbom 8.0C
David Musil 7.5C
Martin Marincin 7.5C
Jeremie Blain 7.5D
Alex Plante 6.5C
Colten Teubert 6.5C
Defensemen
Brandon Davidson 7.0D
Dillon Simpson 7.0D
Martin Gernat 7.0D
Taylor Fedun 6.5D
Johan Motin 5.5C
Kyle Bigos 5.5C
Jordan Bendfeld 4.0C
Goaltenders
Olivier Roy 7.5D
Tyler Bunz 7.5D
Samu Perhonen 7.0D
Frans Tuohimaa 6.5D
Bryan Pitton 4.0B

2012

GOALTENDERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Tyler Bunz Pro 7.5 C
2. Olivier Roy Pro 7.0 C
3. Samu Perhonen Europe 7.0 D
4. Frans Tuohimaa Europe 6.5 C
RIGHT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Nail Yakupov Europe 9.0 C
2. Tobias Rieder CHL 7.5 D
3. Kristians Pelss Pro 6.0 C
4. Antti Tyrvainen Pro 6.0 C
5. Toni Rajala Europe 6.0 C
6. John McCarron NCAA 6.0 C
7. Mark Arcobello Pro 4.5 B
8. Cameron Abney Pro 4.0 C
LEFT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Daniil Zharkov CHL 7.5 D
2. Teemu Hartikainen Pro 7.0 B
3. Jujhar Khaira NCAA 7.0 D
4. Curtis Hamilton Pro 6.5 C
5. Mitchell Moroz CHL 6.5 C
6. Kellen Jones NCAA 6.0 C
7. Philippe Cornet Pro 6.0 C
CENTERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Tyler Pitlick Pro 7.0 C
2. Ryan Martindale Pro 7.0 D
3. Anton Lander Pro 6.5 B
4. Chris Vande Velde Pro 6.0 C
5. Travis Ewanyk CHL 6.0 C
6. Tanner House Pro 5.0 C
DEFENSEMEN
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Justin Schultz Pro 8.0 C
2. Oscar Klefbom Europe 8.0 C
3. Martin Marincin Pro 7.5 C
4. David Musil CHL 7.5 C
5. Martin Gernat CHL 7.5 D
6. Dillon Simpson NCAA 6.5 C
7. Alex Plante Pro 6.5 C
8. Kyle Bigos NCAA 6.5 C
9. Brandon Davidson CHL 6.5 C
10. Colten Teubert Pro 6.5 C
11. Joey Laleggia NCAA 6.5 C
12. Taylor Fedun Pro 6.0 C
13. Erik Gustafsson (2012) Europe 6.0 C

2013

GOALTENDERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Olivier Roy Pro 7.0 C
2. Frans Tuohimaa Europe 6.5 C
3. Niko Hovinen Pro 6.5 D
4. Tyler Bunz Pro 6.5 D
RIGHT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Nail Yakupov Pro 9.0 C
2. Antti Tyrvainen Europe 6.0 C
3. John McCarron NCAA 6.0 C
4. Jackson Houck CHL 6.0 D
5. Cameron Abney Pro 4.0 C
LEFT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Daniil Zharkov CHL 7.5 D
2. Jujhar Khaira Pro 7.0 D
3. Curtis Hamilton Pro 6.5 C
4. Mitchell Moroz CHL 6.5 C
5. Anton Slepyshev Europe 6.5 C
6. Teemu Hartikainen Pro 6.5 D
7. Kellen Jones NCAA 6.0 C
8. Evan Campbell Junior 6.0 D
9. Aidan Muir Junior 5.5 D
10. Kale Kessy CHL 5.0 D
CENTERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Marc-Olivier Roy CHL 7.0 C
2. Andrew Miller Pro 7.0 D
3. Bogdan Yakimov Europe 6.5 C
4. Ryan Martindale Pro 6.5 D
5. Tyler Pitlick Pro 6.5 D
6. Kyle Platzer CHL 6.5 D
7. Travis Ewanyk CHL 6.0 C
8. Greg Chase CHL 6.0 C
DEFENSEMEN
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Justin Schultz Pro 8.0 B
2. Oscar Klefbom Europe 8.0 C
3. Darnell Nurse CHL 8.0 C
4. Martin Marincin Pro 7.5 C
5. David Musil CHL 7.5 C
6. Martin Gernat CHL 7.5 D
7. Dillon Simpson NCAA 6.5 C
8. Brandon Davidson Pro 6.5 C
9. Taylor Fedun Pro 6.5 C
10. Erik Gustafsson (2012) Europe 6.5 C
11. Joey LaLeggia NCAA 6.5 C
12. Brad Hunt Pro 6.0 C
13. Ben Betker

2014

GOALTENDERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Laurent Brossoit Pro 7.0 C
2. Frans Tuohimaa Europe 6.5 C
3. Niko Hovinen Europe 6.5 D
4. Tyler Bunz Pro 6.5 D
5. Zach Nagelvoort NCAA 6.5 D
6. Keven Bouchard CHL 6.0 D
RIGHT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Tyler Pitlick Pro 6.5 B
2. Iiro Pakarinen Europe 6.0 C
3. Kellen Jones NCAA 6.0 C
4. Antti Tyrvainen Europe 6.0 C
5. John McCarron NCAA 6.0 C
6. Jackson Houck CHL 6.0 D
LEFT WING
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Mitchell Moroz CHL 7.0 C
2. Jujhar Khaira CHL 7.0 C
3. Curtis Hamilton Pro 6.0 C
4. Anton Slepyshev Europe 6.0 C
5. Evan Campbell NCAA 6.0 D
6. Aidan Muir Junior 5.5 D
7. Kale Kessy Pro 5.0 D
CENTERS
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Leon Draisaitl CHL 8.0 C
2. Marco Roy CHL 7.0 D
3. Bogdan Yakimov Europe 6.5 C
4. Greg Chase CHL 6.5 C
5. Kyle Platzer CHL 6.5 D
6. Tyler Vesel NCAA 6.5 D
7. Travis Ewanyk Pro 6.0 C
8. Andrew Miller Pro 6.0 C
9. Liam Coughlin Junior 6.0 D
DEFENSEMEN
LEAGUE PROSP. TALENT PROB. OF SUCCESS
1. Darnell Nurse CHL 8.0 C
2. Martin Marincin Pro 7.5 B
3. Oscar Klefbom Pro 7.5 C
4. Dillon Simpson Pro 7.0 C
5. Martin Gernat Pro 7.0 D
6. David Musil Pro 7.0 D
7. Brandon Davidson Pro 6.5 C
8. Erik Gustafsson (2012) Europe 6.5 C
9. Joey LaLeggia NCAA 6.5 C
10. William Lagesson Europe 6.5 C
11. Brad Hunt Pro 6.0 C
12. Ben Betker CHL 5.5 D

just to look at somethings that never change

(incase you are wondering why I am diging through the archieves of HF--Every so often I try to remember my origanal log in or email address to see if it still works--been here since 1997 and it annoys me to see 2003 as my registration d ate)

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[MCDAVIDISH]

Good post, scouting and development throughout the years has led to what we are going through now. People who think we are deliberately tanking need to look at how awful our scouting and development has been. Just completely inept. This is the team after all who employed a scout living in Mexico full time......

 

[40oz]

That Tim Thomas kid is what we like to call a "long-term prospect"

 

[samiam]

Good post, scouting and development throughout the years has led to what we are going through now. People who think we are deliberately tanking need to look at how awful our scouting and development has been. Just completely inept. This is the team after all who employed a scout living in Mexico full time......

...Not just any scout, but our HEAD chief scout!!

 

[Tyrolean]

Masochist.

 

[thadd]

Good post, scouting and development throughout the years has led to what we are going through now. People who think we are deliberately tanking need to look at how awful our scouting and development has been. Just completely inept. This is the team after all who employed a scout living in Mexico full time......

Great response.

We've been that screwed up for that long.

 

[OilTastic]

Nail was 9.0 C ? how the mighty have fallen. interesting to see G Tyler Bunz go from a 7.5 C to a 6.5 D ....#becauseoilers.

 

[thadd]

I glanced over this with a workmate while in the office between classes.

Man... why have people only been egging us on about our drafting and development for the past few years? I know that we lacked an AHL team of our own before a few years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that we were sending our prospects to Montreal's farm team.

I'm not going to talk about guys who were traded and turned into good players. I'm just going to list players that made a difference playing for us.

1998-1999 didn't have a single guy who would contribute anything significant for us.

In 2000 Comrie showed up and we got scraps. Rob Schremp never turned into NHL material.
2000 also had Horcoff. Considering he was a mid rounder we should be pretty happy what we got out of him. His last contract was poison, but you can't blame him for that. You can blame Lowe for signing it. We all knew that was a horrid contract the minute it was announced. If your boss offered you a raise that entitled you to make 50% more money than you were worth, I'm pretty sure you'd accept that extra dough.

2001 featured the coming of Marc-Andre Bergeron and Ty Conklin. They may not have been great for us, but they did play a fair number of games.

2002 had Stoll and Hemsky. Great players, but they were not all that hard to dig out of the rough since they were drafted quite high. Hemsky was a first rounder. Stoll was either a late first rounder or an early second rounder. Now at this point

2003 Greene makes his way onto the scene. Pretty sure he was a 2nd rounder. He came exactly as advertised and hasn't changed since then. Rough and tough stay at home guy with hands of stone.

Green and Stoll were traded for a 1st pairing PMD and Lubo was a great d-man but I don't think that many people realized how weak that trade left our core before that trade was made.

In 2004 another 2nd rounder, Tom Gilbert was traded. He was a relatively useful guy but we had too many soft d-men around to really care about what he was getting done. I was OK with trading him for Nick Schultz. Schultz was far more consistent. I think that was the most fair trade that Edmonton has been involved in that didn't involve prospects in the past decade.

2005 has nothing going on.

Devan Dubnyk was drafted really high for a goalie. And that's all that we saw out of 2006.

In 2007 fellow 1st rounders Cogliano and Smid make their way onto the scene. Man did that Pronger trade ever suck. Don't get me wrong. There were a few years where I loved the hell out of Smid, but I wasn't broken up into tears to see the guy go. He'd somehow lost his effectiveness. That guy worked his ass off to become a much better player for us. He was so soft when he came to Edmonton but boy did we ever get some grit out of him down the road.

In 2008 1st rounder Eberle (whom everyone said was too small and too slow to make a difference in the NHL) and 2nd rounder Petry made their way into our attention span.

In 2009 1st rounder Magnus and 3rd rounder Lander were drafted and made their way to the top of our prospect rankings. Not sure if Lander should be here yet. I put Magnus here because he helped us get Perron, who is one of my fav forwards to show up in Edmonton for a long time.

2010 has 1st overall pick Hall and 2nd rounder Marincin. The only other guy from this year that has a shot at making it is Curtis Hamilton. He was a 2nd or third rounder who had a lot of offence in the WHL. Before this season he's been useless in the AHL. I suspect it's because it was hard for him to get used to not being one of the bigger guys on the ice. He's putting up better numbers this year, but he isn't lighting up the NHL by any means. I bet he'll play a few games in the NHL but at this point only a fool would bank on him becoming a full time NHLer.

2011 on paper looks like a great year. Hopkins was a first overall pick. Pitlick would be a fine guy to play an Alexander Burrows role if he could stay healthy. Musil is tough and consistent. He won't be great in the NHL but he'll be a nice guy to have in the line-up when you're playing a tough team. Gernat will probably turn into a 3rd pairing d-man who can log a bunch of minutes on the PP. Klefbom Is looking like a stud. And I'm pretty sure that all but one of these guy were drafted within the first 2 rounds.

Past 2012... it's too soon to point fingers at who is what... and maybe I'm being too optimistic with what's going on with what we have in the system right now, but it's obvious that we've got nothing going on in the 4th round and past that. If this keeps up you'd think that Katz would offer Ken Holland 10M just to go in there and do the rehiring of all people within head office.

 

[PinSeeker]

This is depressing.

 

[SerbianEagle]

...and that list right there is why the Oilers are where they are. Sather drafted horribly, but he was at least able to fleece someone as needed in a trade that netted guys like Niinimaa, Hamrlik.

 

[TheRebuild]

I know the draft is a bit of a crapshoot, but seriously, you'd think some blind guy, pulled in off the street, randomly pointing at a piece of paper with names written on it would have pulled off better picks then this.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

 

[Slats432]

I think that the development is equally at fault as the drafting.

That said, the rankings seem pretty decent...except the gem of JDD being an 8.5B. That's funny stuff right there.

 

[MCDAVIDISH]

I know the draft is a bit of a crapshoot, but seriously, you'd think some blind guy, pulled in off the street, randomly pointing at a piece of paper with names written on it would have pulled off better picks then this.

Honestly... I remember reading in a thread on prospects about a study or something done on I think the canucks, it showed if they had just drafted top scorers at each pick they would have had more success. I think Oilers scouts need to stop outthinking themselves. Following the draft year in year out they seem to make ridiculous picks from the second round on... Just go with the best player already instead of trying to hit some sort of home run with a "hidden gem" or guy with size who has future potential. Draft the guys who have showed that potential already, forecasting potential doesn't seem like a strength for these scouts.

 

[OilTastic]

but that's what the Oilers do....they love taking long shot, boom or bust types like Aiden Muir, Evan Campbell or Liam Coughlin just to show the other teams how much smarter they are at drafting then everyone else.

 

[Bangers]

Looking at this post it seems like the drafting vs development issue has steadily moved from drafting being the problem to development being the problem.

 

[Zap Brannigan]

I still think its drafting, even the great "developmental" teams like Tampa Bay have had some duds

like 6th overall pick Brett Connolly

 

[thadd]

The fact that hardly anyone is talking in this thread just goes to show how numbed we are towards this epic level of failure.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Well there's that. Some guys turned out. Having Horcoff and Pisani become NHL regulars isn't something insignificant, even if it's looked at that way.

I also wonder who was brought in via trade for some of these players. Salmalienen(sp) got the Oilers Spacek, so that was a success, just by a different metric.

 

[AUAIOMRN]

10. Eddie Caron 0.5A

"His ceiling is 'one step away from the beer leagues', but we're sure he can reach it!"

 

[SerbianEagle]

Obviously, hindsight is always 20/20 and its easy to say "they should have drafted this guy or that guy instead of the player they drafted", but thats exactly what I am about to do ...just for fun basically, who could they have drafted since 1997 onward as opposed to who they actually took. First round only:

1997: Michel Riesen
This was really not a great first round for most teams who drafted after the Oilers in the first round. Two notables: Scott Hannan and Brenden Morrow, each played around 1000 NHL games. Michel Riesen played 12.

1998: Michael Henrich
I actually give them a pass on this pick. At the time, Henrich was what they needed a goal scorer with some power to his game. Many called it a good pick...Still, hindsight being what it is, notables that went after Oilers picked are: Robyn Regehr, Scott Gomez (they did also need a center, as always), Simon Gagne and Jiri Fischer.

1999: Jani Rita
The need for speed did them in once again. I don't think Rita was ever considered to be a first line player, so to take him, and not say Martin Havlat is a crime. Granted, this appears to have been a weak first round if looking at impact players drafted not named Sedin. Stefan went first overall.

2000: Alexei Mikhnov
First of the "big reach" picks under Kevin Lowe. Common sense dictated that they should have taken any of: Brooks Orpik, Anton Volchenkov, Steve Ott, Justin Williams (yeah, that one...) or Niklas Kronwall

2001: Ales Hemsky
No complaints here. He is better than anyone who went after him, and probably #3 overall in the first round

2002: Jesse Niinimaki
Terrible pick...was then, is now...another reach and trying to be smarter than anyone. They couldn't even find the kid in the arena. Alexander Steen and Cam Ward would have been better, but really, the rest of the round was slim pickings.

2003: Marc Pouliot
They wanted him bad, didn't they. Ryan Kesler went immediately after to Vancouver, Mike Richards to Philly and Corey Perry to Anaheim. Good job on this one KLowe!

2004: Devan Dubnyk
2004: Rob Schremp
I actually don't have a problem here. Team needed a goalie prospect and Dubnyk was well thought off. Schremp was all skill and they needed that to. Some notabled taken in between these two picks: Alex Radulov, Travis Zajac, Wojtek Wolski and Andrej Meszaros

2005: Andrew Cogliano
Good pick, good player, should have been kept. Niskanen went after him but at the time Cogs was a "must have" pick, so no issues.

2006: no pick in first round, Jeff Petry taken in 2nd round.
Overall, no issues. They could have had Milan Lucic though, and perhaps should have, but the 20/20 thing...

2007: Sam Gagner
2007: Alex Plante
2007: Riley Nash
The start of the top picks for this team. At the time, the Gagner pick was good and even to date Sam has played more NHL games than anyone who went after him in the first round. Saying that, there are some who should have been picked: Voracek, even though prior to this season he was on par with Sammy, Kevin Shatenkirk, Ryan Mcdonough and Logan Couture.

The Plante pick was a reach as he couldn't skate and that would be his downfall. However, between him and Nash, all picks were misses.

After Nash, there was Pacioretty, Backlund and the guy they just traded, David Perron.

2008: Jordan Eberle
No issue and better than anyone who went after him.

2009: Magnus Paajarvi
He was a highly rated Euro prospect who drew comparisons to Peter Forsberg, although I am not sure why. It was considered at the time a good pick. The time proved something else, however. They could have had: Ryan Ellis, Dimitri Kulikov,Marcus Johansen or Simon Despres.

2010: Taylor Hall
No issue, and I still think he is the best player out of that draft

2011: Ryan Nugent Hopkins
I think its as good of a pick as Hall. Some debate they should have taken Landeskog or Adam Larsson.

2012: Nail Yakupov
Its turning out to be a bad pick, and Nail has to step it up quick unless he want to be Bonsignore v.2. Hindsight dictates that Galchenyuk was the better pick and will probably remain so.

2013 and 2014 are too early to tell, but both are looking as very solid picks.

There you have it. Looking at it, if they drafted better in earlier years, Hall and RNH probably would not be Oilers, but then would that be a bad thing if the team was solid to be a playoff team every year?

 

[Bangers]

Obviously, hindsight is always 20/20 and its easy to say "they should have drafted this guy or that guy instead of the player they drafted", but thats exactly what I am about to do ...just for fun basically, who could they have drafted since 1997 onward as opposed to who they actually took. First round only:

1997: Michel Riesen
This was really not a great first round for most teams who drafted after the Oilers in the first round. Two notables: Scott Hannan and Brenden Morrow, each played around 1000 NHL games. Michel Riesen played 12.

1998: Michael Henrich
I actually give them a pass on this pick. At the time, Henrich was what they needed a goal scorer with some power to his game. Many called it a good pick...Still, hindsight being what it is, notables that went after Oilers picked are: Robyn Regehr, Scott Gomez (they did also need a center, as always), Simon Gagne and Jiri Fischer.

1999: Jani Rita
The need for speed did them in once again. I don't think Rita was ever considered to be a first line player, so to take him, and not say Martin Havlat is a crime. Granted, this appears to have been a weak first round if looking at impact players drafted not named Sedin. Stefan went first overall.

2000: Alexei Mikhnov
First of the "big reach" picks under Kevin Lowe. Common sense dictated that they should have taken any of: Brooks Orpik, Anton Volchenkov, Steve Ott, Justin Williams (yeah, that one...) or Niklas Kronwall

2001: Ales Hemsky
No complaints here. He is better than anyone who went after him, and probably #3 overall in the first round

2002: Jesse Niinimaki
Terrible pick...was then, is now...another reach and trying to be smarter than anyone. They couldn't even find the kid in the arena. Alexander Steen and Cam Ward would have been better, but really, the rest of the round was slim pickings.

2003: Marc Pouliot
They wanted him bad, didn't they. Ryan Kesler went immediately after to Vancouver, Mike Richards to Philly and Corey Perry to Anaheim. Good job on this one KLowe!

2004: Devan Dubnyk
2004: Rob Schremp
I actually don't have a problem here. Team needed a goalie prospect and Dubnyk was well thought off. Schremp was all skill and they needed that to. Some notabled taken in between these two picks: Alex Radulov, Travis Zajac, Wojtek Wolski and Andrej Meszaros

2005: Andrew Cogliano
Good pick, good player, should have been kept. Niskanen went after him but at the time Cogs was a "must have" pick, so no issues.

2006: no pick in first round, Jeff Petry taken in 2nd round.
Overall, no issues. They could have had Milan Lucic though, and perhaps should have, but the 20/20 thing...

2007: Sam Gagner
2007: Alex Plante
2007: Riley Nash
The start of the top picks for this team. At the time, the Gagner pick was good and even to date Sam has played more NHL games than anyone who went after him in the first round. Saying that, there are some who should have been picked: Voracek, even though prior to this season he was on par with Sammy, Kevin Shatenkirk, Ryan Mcdonough and Logan Couture.

The Plante pick was a reach as he couldn't skate and that would be his downfall. However, between him and Nash, all picks were misses.

After Nash, there was Pacioretty, Backlund and the guy they just traded, David Perron.

2008: Jordan Eberle
No issue and better than anyone who went after him.

2009: Magnus Paajarvi
He was a highly rated Euro prospect who drew comparisons to Peter Forsberg, although I am not sure why. It was considered at the time a good pick. The time proved something else, however. They could have had: Ryan Ellis, Dimitri Kulikov,Marcus Johansen or Simon Despres.

2010: Taylor Hall
No issue, and I still think he is the best player out of that draft

2011: Ryan Nugent Hopkins
I think its as good of a pick as Hall. Some debate they should have taken Landeskog or Adam Larsson.

2012: Nail Yakupov
Its turning out to be a bad pick, and Nail has to step it up quick unless he want to be Bonsignore v.2. Hindsight dictates that Galchenyuk was the better pick and will probably remain so.

2013 and 2014 are too early to tell, but both are looking as very solid picks.

There you have it. Looking at it, if they drafted better in earlier years, Hall and RNH probably would not be Oilers, but then would that be a bad thing if the team was solid to be a playoff team every year?

Good analysis.As much as I'm loathe to cut Oilers managment slack, the post-Oilers picks from 1997-2002 didn't exactly do a lot, 2005 and 2008 saw the Oilers pick better than expected, and post-2010, they've made 'easy picks'. That being said, the 2003 and (post-Gagner) 2007 picks were inexcusable, and the list excludes picks further-back that crippled the franchise (Bonsignore, Kelly > Doan, Jason Soules, pretty much every 1st round pick in early to mid-90s).

 

[lakai17]

You have to miss Rita today

 

[The Nuge]

I still think its drafting, even the great "developmental" teams like Tampa Bay have had some duds

like 6th overall pick Brett Connolly

Just guessing, but that was probably just because he fell (he was the #3 ranked NA skater), and they wouldn't have done their due diligence, because they wouldn't think he'd fall to them. I've heard he's got some character issues

 

[Seachd]

but that's what the Oilers do....they love taking long shot, boom or bust types like Aiden Muir, Evan Campbell or Liam Coughlin just to show the other teams how much smarter they are at drafting then everyone else.

Every team does this.