Oilers at the draft table

[Comic Book Guy*]

A lot of people are clamoring about McDavid/Eichel and the kind of impact they can make on this team. But take a look at this year's rookie class:

Gaudreau - 104th overall
Stone - 178th overall
Hoffman - 130th overall
Klingberg - 131st overall
Anders Lee - 152nd overall
Hutchinson - 77th overall
Mrazek - 141st overall
Then theres guys like Paquette(101st), Jooris (undrafted), Sekac (undrafted), Vey (96th) and others making an impact. And let's not forget last years Calder runner ups, Palat (208th OV) and TJ (undrafted)

What is it going to take for the Oilers to start drafting impact players in the 2nd-4th rounds? I think this is what is going to turn this ship the right way. No more "supposed" blue-chippers in the 1st round. Those are usually no-brainers. Let's get some gems in the later rounds.

This draft coming up is one of the deepest in a while. We really need to take this opportunity to take the next step.

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[Jumptheshark]

A lot of people are clamoring about McDavid/Eichel and the kind of impact they can make on this team. But take a look at this year's rookie class:

Gaudreau - 104th overall
Stone - 178th overall
Hoffman - 130th overall
Klingberg - 131st overall
Anders Lee - 152nd overall
Hutchinson - 77th overall
Mrazek - 141st overall
Then theres guys like Paquette(101st), Jooris (undrafted), Sekac (undrafted), Vey (96th) and others making an impact. And let's not forget last years Calder runner ups, Palat (208th OV) and TJ (undrafted)

What is it going to take for the Oilers to start drafting impact players in the 2nd-4th rounds? I think this is what is going to turn this ship the right way. No more "supposed" blue-chippers in the 1st round. Those are usually no-brainers. Let's get some gems in the later rounds.

This draft coming up is one of the deepest in a while. We really need to take this opportunity to take the next step.

we have talked about this a lot

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

A lot of people are clamoring about McDavid/Eichel and the kind of impact they can make on this team. But take a look at this year's rookie class:

Gaudreau - 104th overall
Stone - 178th overall
Hoffman - 130th overall
Klingberg - 131st overall
Anders Lee - 152nd overall
Hutchinson - 77th overall
Mrazek - 141st overall
Then theres guys like Paquette(101st), Jooris (undrafted), Sekac (undrafted), Vey (96th) and others making an impact. And let's not forget last years Calder runner ups, Palat (208th OV) and TJ (undrafted)

What is it going to take for the Oilers to start drafting impact players in the 2nd-4th rounds? I think this is what is going to turn this ship the right way. No more "supposed" blue-chippers in the 1st round. Those are usually no-brainers. Let's get some gems in the later rounds.

This draft coming up is one of the deepest in a while. We really need to take this opportunity to take the next step.

I was thinking of doing a draft thread for the guys nobody talks about (The endless McEichel debate bores me) but this is as good as anything. I'll probably update this post as I go adding stats info and other players... many players to mention, i'll start with one to get my format down and i'll go through everything tonight. I also want something public that i can go back to in 1,2,3 years and prove that even I (a random internet person) could draft better than the Oilers scouts.

Players I like in the later rounds by league....


QMJHL

RW - Conor Garland - Moncton Wildcats
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 168 lbs
NHL Style Comparison: Brendan Gallagher
Where I would target him (late 2nd/early 3rd round)
Stats: 50 GP, 24 Goals, 63 Assists, 87 points.

G - Samuel Montembeault - Blainville-Boisbriand Armada
Height: 6'2
Weight: 164 lbs (seems low to me)
NHL Comparison: Jonas Hiller
Where I would target him (3rd/4th round)
Stats: 40 GP, 24-8-7, 2.62 GAA, 0.895 Save%

i'll do the rest later

 

[CornKicker]

BPA...all day long

 

[McShogun99]

This thread makes no sense. Everyone knows that we can't draft outside the top 10.

 

[Beerfish]

Draft kids of people you know.

Draft oil king coke machines.

Alternate from year to year as to whether size or talent is more important.

Draft some russians that will never come over here.

Draft guys rated 4 rounds lower than where you pick them to show how smart you are.

Trade down for multiple picks who are even less likely to ever have an impact.

Draft at least one guy from the BCHL who is going to go to some obscure us college.

All tried and true proven methods, stick to the plan!

 

[hyster110]

oilers can draft as many players as they want, until their development model allows them time to mature, we will still be in the same boat as we are now. let them over ripen in the lower leagues and make them hungry to move up. lets not try and rush every prospects we have to higher levels

 

[Nuge93]

oilers can draft as many players as they want, until their development model allows them time to mature, we will still be in the same boat as we are now. let them over ripen in the lower leagues and make them hungry to move up. lets not try and rush every prospects we have to higher levels

Development is just as important as drafting, and the Oilers are brutal at both.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Draft kids of people you know.

Draft oil king coke machines.

Alternate from year to year as to whether size or talent is more important.

Draft some russians that will never come over here.

Draft guys rated 4 rounds lower than where you pick them to show how smart you are.

Trade down for multiple picks who are even less likely to ever have an impact.

Draft at least one guy from the BCHL who is going to go to some obscure us college.

All tried and true proven methods, stick to the plan!

Can I play? Draft kids with potential and then ruin them.

 

[Dorian2]

I get the feeling that if the Oilers drafted the same player at say 50th or something, and another good team drafted the same player in the same spot, the other team would have a good player on their hands.

The Oilers...not so much. Their development has sucked for years on end, and I do not really see that changing anytime soon unfortunately.

 

[IV XIV XCI]

I get the feeling that if the Oilers drafted the same player at say 50th or something, and another good team drafted the same player in the same spot, the other team would have a good player on their hands.

The Oilers...not so much. Their development has sucked for years on end, and I do not really see that changing anytime soon unfortunately.

I agree with this.

I think it has more to do with veteran leadership than how these guys are "developed" in the minors.

For example, look at what Derek Roy has done with Yakupov in just a few weeks.
Amazing how a vet C can help bring along a young guy with still-yet-untapped potential.

Once again, this falls on the person in charge of building the roster.

 

[oilerbear]

A lot of people are clamoring about McDavid/Eichel and the kind of impact they can make on this team. But take a look at this year's rookie class:

Gaudreau - 104th overall
Stone - 178th overall
Hoffman - 130th overall
Klingberg - 131st overall
Anders Lee - 152nd overall
Hutchinson - 77th overall
Mrazek - 141st overall
Then theres guys like Paquette(101st), Jooris (undrafted), Sekac (undrafted), Vey (96th) and others making an impact. And let's not forget last years Calder runner ups, Palat (208th OV) and TJ (undrafted)

What is it going to take for the Oilers to start drafting impact players in the 2nd-4th rounds? I think this is what is going to turn this ship the right way. No more "supposed" blue-chippers in the 1st round. Those are usually no-brainers. Let's get some gems in the later rounds.

This draft coming up is one of the deepest in a while. We really need to take this opportunity to take the next step.

Might want to look at michael.Schukers draft chart showing % chance of getting 200gm player.
#1 91.7%
#2-#3 84.9%
#4-#6 74.2%
#7-#10 61.4% 2 in 3
#11-#15 48.2% 1 in 2
#16-#20 38.0% 1 in 2.5
#21-#25 31.8% 1 in 3
#25-#30 28.3% 1 in 3.5
-------------------------------- RD 2
#31-#40 22.5% 1 in 4.5
#41-#50 19.5% 1 in 5
#51-#60 18.0% 1 in 5.5
--------------------------------RD 3
#61-#70 17.5% 1 in 6
#71-#80 16.3% 1 in 6.5
#81-#90 14.1% 1 in 7
----------------------------- RD 4
#91-#100 11.7% 1 in 9
#101-#110 9.9% 1 in 10
#111-#120 9.0% 1 in 11
-------------------------------RD5
#121-#150 8.4% 1 in 12
-------------------------------RD6
#151 - #180 7.3% 1 in 14

I get sick of the lazy look at oiler drafting.
Chicago's drafted depth for the 2010 cup dated back 14 years!
14 years.
that takes us back to 2001 draft:
what is also important is deep teams have developing players push veterans at age 23-24. think age and time left to age 24.

EIG/ Sather/ Fraser
2001: #13 hemsky; 2-2nd's; 1-3rd; 2-5th's; 6th; 7th; 8th; 2-9th's
2002:#15 ninimaki; #31 JDD; #36 stoll; #44 Greene: 11 picks 3rd- 9thrd
Stoll and Greene were traded By TAMBO (VCR trained)

EIG /Lowe/Pendegast
2003: #22 MAP; #51 C. Mcdonald; #68 JFJ; #214 Brodziak; 9 picks Rd 3 to 9
Brodziak was traded for a 3rd and a 4th by Tambo
2004: #14 DD; #25 Schremp; 2-2nd's 6 picks rd4 - rd9
2005: #25 Cogliano; 7 picks rd2 - rd7
Cogliano traded for 2nd RD by Tambo
2006: #45 Petry; 4 picks rd3 - rd^
2007:#6 Gagner; #15 Plante; #21 R. Nash; 3 picks RD3 - RD6
Mact traded Gagner for Purcell

Katz/Tambo/SM
2008: #22 Eberle; #163 Hartikainen 4 picks RD4 - RD&
2009: #10 MP; #40 Lander; 5 picks Rd3 - Rd5
MP traded for Perron
2010: #1 HAll; #31 pitlick(23); #46 Marincin(22); #48 Hamilton(23) #162 Davidson; 7 picks Rd3 - RD7
2011: #1 RNH(21); #19 Klefbom(21); #114 Reider; #122 Gernat.
Tambo traded Reider for Kessey.

Katz/Tambo/SM Mact VP hockey ops.
2012:
#1 Yakupov;
#32 Moroz (20)
#63 Khaira (20);
#123 Laleggia (22) Hobey baker canidate

Katz/MacT/SM
2013:
#7 Nurse
Mactt trades #37 for #83; #88; #94; #96; #113
#83 Yakimov (20)
#88 Slepyshev(20) best even 20 year season in 15 yr.
#113 Muir (19) top 20 - 20 and under scorer NCAA
#128 Campbell (21) #2 Scorer hockey east #2 team
#188 Chase

2014:
#3 Draisatl
#91 RD4 Laggesson (18) Sweden WJC
#111 rd4 Nagelvoort (20) .924 save% @ 19 NCAA. stdrd for NHL starters.

 

[Tyrolean]

BPA...all day long

Unfortunately no one can define the BPA.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Look at the op's list of players. Now look at the bolded in oilerbear's post.

Lol.

 

[Titsuple]

Might want to look at michael.Schukers draft chart showing % chance of getting 200gm player.
#1 91.7%
#2-#3 84.9%
#4-#6 74.2%
#7-#10 61.4% 2 in 3
#11-#15 48.2% 1 in 2
#16-#20 38.0% 1 in 2.5
#21-#25 31.8% 1 in 3
#25-#30 28.3% 1 in 3.5
-------------------------------- RD 2
#31-#40 22.5% 1 in 4.5
#41-#50 19.5% 1 in 5
#51-#60 18.0% 1 in 5.5
--------------------------------RD 3
#61-#70 17.5% 1 in 6
#71-#80 16.3% 1 in 6.5
#81-#90 14.1% 1 in 7
----------------------------- RD 4
#91-#100 11.7% 1 in 9
#101-#110 9.9% 1 in 10
#111-#120 9.0% 1 in 11
-------------------------------RD5
#121-#150 8.4% 1 in 12
-------------------------------RD6
#151 - #180 7.3% 1 in 14

I get sick of the lazy look at oiler drafting.
Chicago's drafted depth for the 2010 cup dated back 14 years!
14 years.
that takes us back to 2001 draft:
what is also important is deep teams have developing players push veterans at age 23-24. think age and time left to age 24.

EIG/ Sather/ Fraser
2001: #13 hemsky; 2-2nd's; 1-3rd; 2-5th's; 6th; 7th; 8th; 2-9th's
2002:#15 ninimaki; #31 JDD; #36 stoll; #44 Greene: 11 picks 3rd- 9thrd
Stoll and Greene were traded By TAMBO (VCR trained)

EIG /Lowe/Pendegast
2003: #22 MAP; #51 C. Mcdonald; #68 JFJ; #214 Brodziak; 9 picks Rd 3 to 9
Brodziak was traded for a 3rd and a 4th by Tambo
2004: #14 DD; #25 Schremp; 2-2nd's 6 picks rd4 - rd9
2005: #25 Cogliano; 7 picks rd2 - rd7
Cogliano traded for 2nd RD by Tambo
2006: #45 Petry; 4 picks rd3 - rd^
2007:#6 Gagner; #15 Plante; #21 R. Nash; 3 picks RD3 - RD6
Mact traded Gagner for Purcell

Katz/Tambo/SM
2008: #22 Eberle; #163 Hartikainen 4 picks RD4 - RD&
2009: #10 MP; #40 Lander; 5 picks Rd3 - Rd5
MP traded for Perron
2010: #1 HAll; #31 pitlick(23); #46 Marincin(22); #48 Hamilton(23) #162 Davidson; 7 picks Rd3 - RD7
2011: #1 RNH(21); #19 Klefbom(21); #114 Reider; #122 Gernat.
Tambo traded Reider for Kessey.

Katz/Tambo/SM Mact VP hockey ops.
2012:
#1 Yakupov;
#32 Moroz (20)
#63 Khaira (20);
#123 Laleggia (22) Hobey baker canidate

Katz/MacT/SM
2013:
#7 Nurse
Mactt trades #37 for #83; #88; #94; #96; #113
#83 Yakimov (20)
#88 Slepyshev(20) best even 20 year season in 15 yr.
#113 Muir (19) top 20 - 20 and under scorer NCAA
#128 Campbell (21) #2 Scorer hockey east #2 team
#188 Chase

2014:
#3 Draisatl
#91 RD4 Laggesson (18) Sweden WJC
#111 rd4 Nagelvoort (20) .924 save% @ 19 NCAA. stdrd for NHL starters.

Good read. Thank you for putting the time into this post.

 

[oilinblood]

Might want to look at michael.Schukers draft chart showing % chance of getting 200gm player.
#1 91.7%
#2-#3 84.9%
#4-#6 74.2%
#7-#10 61.4% 2 in 3
#11-#15 48.2% 1 in 2
#16-#20 38.0% 1 in 2.5
#21-#25 31.8% 1 in 3
#25-#30 28.3% 1 in 3.5
-------------------------------- RD 2
#31-#40 22.5% 1 in 4.5
#41-#50 19.5% 1 in 5
#51-#60 18.0% 1 in 5.5
--------------------------------RD 3
#61-#70 17.5% 1 in 6
#71-#80 16.3% 1 in 6.5
#81-#90 14.1% 1 in 7
----------------------------- RD 4
#91-#100 11.7% 1 in 9
#101-#110 9.9% 1 in 10
#111-#120 9.0% 1 in 11
-------------------------------RD5
#121-#150 8.4% 1 in 12
-------------------------------RD6
#151 - #180 7.3% 1 in 14

I get sick of the lazy look at oiler drafting.
Chicago's drafted depth for the 2010 cup dated back 14 years!
14 years.
that takes us back to 2001 draft:
what is also important is deep teams have developing players push veterans at age 23-24. think age and time left to age 24.

EIG/ Sather/ Fraser
2001: #13 hemsky; 2-2nd's; 1-3rd; 2-5th's; 6th; 7th; 8th; 2-9th's
2002:#15 ninimaki; #31 JDD; #36 stoll; #44 Greene: 11 picks 3rd- 9thrd
Stoll and Greene were traded By TAMBO (VCR trained)

EIG /Lowe/Pendegast
2003: #22 MAP; #51 C. Mcdonald; #68 JFJ; #214 Brodziak; 9 picks Rd 3 to 9
Brodziak was traded for a 3rd and a 4th by Tambo
2004: #14 DD; #25 Schremp; 2-2nd's 6 picks rd4 - rd9
2005: #25 Cogliano; 7 picks rd2 - rd7
Cogliano traded for 2nd RD by Tambo
2006: #45 Petry; 4 picks rd3 - rd^
2007:#6 Gagner; #15 Plante; #21 R. Nash; 3 picks RD3 - RD6
Mact traded Gagner for Purcell

Katz/Tambo/SM
2008: #22 Eberle; #163 Hartikainen 4 picks RD4 - RD&
2009: #10 MP; #40 Lander; 5 picks Rd3 - Rd5
MP traded for Perron
2010: #1 HAll; #31 pitlick(23); #46 Marincin(22); #48 Hamilton(23) #162 Davidson; 7 picks Rd3 - RD7
2011: #1 RNH(21); #19 Klefbom(21); #114 Reider; #122 Gernat.
Tambo traded Reider for Kessey.

Katz/Tambo/SM Mact VP hockey ops.
2012:
#1 Yakupov;
#32 Moroz (20)
#63 Khaira (20);
#123 Laleggia (22) Hobey baker canidate

Katz/MacT/SM
2013:
#7 Nurse
Mactt trades #37 for #83; #88; #94; #96; #113
#83 Yakimov (20)
#88 Slepyshev(20) best even 20 year season in 15 yr.
#113 Muir (19) top 20 - 20 and under scorer NCAA
#128 Campbell (21) #2 Scorer hockey east #2 team
#188 Chase

2014:
#3 Draisatl
#91 RD4 Laggesson (18) Sweden WJC
#111 rd4 Nagelvoort (20) .924 save% @ 19 NCAA. stdrd for NHL starters.

dude...lowe was our gm in 2001...he signed comrie, traded guerin and then traded weight.

Where have you been? Hemsky waslowes first draft pick as gm

 

[azashi]

Leaked video of the Oilers at the draft table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODFMXGmd0Tw

 

[Puck possession wins]

What about trading 2nd overall for Yandle and the Arizona pick?

 

[OilTastic]

Draft kids of people you know.

Draft oil king coke machines.

Alternate from year to year as to whether size or talent is more important.

Draft some russians that will never come over here.

Draft guys rated 4 rounds lower than where you pick them to show how smart you are.

Trade down for multiple picks who are even less likely to ever have an impact.

Draft at least one guy from the BCHL who is going to go to some obscure U.S. college.

All tried and true proven methods, stick to the plan!

^like Aiden Muir?

^and you can bet Stu is watching the BCHL closely, beer in hand, and eyeballing the next Evan Campbell or Liam Coughlin.

 

[Tarus]

dude...lowe was our gm in 2001...he signed comrie, traded guerin and then traded weight.

Where have you been? Hemsky waslowes first draft pick as gm

You've got your years mixed up

Sather was ousted and Lowe hired in 2000, not 2001. He traded Roman Hamrlik at the draft(Brewer, Josh Green, and a 2nd round pick which turned out to be Brad Winchester), and Guerin was traded in the fall of that year for Anson Carter, a 2nd round pick, and the right to swap 1st rounders with the Bruins(which turned into Hemsky).

Doug Weight was then traded shortly after Lowe's second NHL draft.

You're probably thinking of Prendergast's first pick with regards to Hemsky, since Barry Fraser was given the right to make one last first round pick(Alexei Mikhnov) out of respect for his career before retiring(Prendergast ran the rest of the draft from the 2nd pick on in 2000).

 

[Gone]

Unbelievable how bad our drafting has been since 2000/1. I wonder, are there any other teams with a worse record.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Late round picks are always lottery tickets. You gotta have good scouting and just take the BPA. We've had poor scouting and have drafted for need. It's not surprising our returns have been terrible.

 

[Beerfish]

What about trading 2nd overall for Yandle and the Arizona pick?

We have a greater chance of picking 3rd than anywhere else.

And no I would not make the deal you suggest. If we can get one of the top two we have to stay and take that player, they are a full cut above anyone else in the draft.

 

[McDraekke]

We have a greater chance of picking 3rd than anywhere else.

And no I would not make the deal you suggest. If we can get one of the top two we have to stay and take that player, they are a full cut above anyone else in the draft.

Plus the fact that in that scenario, Arizona's pick is likely 3rd making that trade for 2 dmen. But your point probably is more relevant still.

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

I was thinking of doing a draft thread for the guys nobody talks about (The endless McEichel debate bores me) but this is as good as anything. I'll probably update this post as I go adding stats info and other players... many players to mention, i'll start with one to get my format down and i'll go through everything tonight. I also want something public that i can go back to in 1,2,3 years and prove that even I (a random internet person) could draft better than the Oilers scouts.

Players I like in the later rounds by league....


QMJHL

RW - Conor Garland - Moncton Wildcats
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 168 lbs
NHL Style Comparison: Brendan Gallagher
Where I would target him (late 2nd/early 3rd round)
Stats: 50 GP, 24 Goals, 63 Assists, 87 points.

G - Samuel Montembeault - Blainville-Boisbriand Armada
Height: 6'2
Weight: 164 lbs (seems low to me)
NHL Comparison: Jonas Hiller
Where I would target him (3rd/4th round)
Stats: 40 GP, 24-8-7, 2.62 GAA, 0.895 Save%

i'll do the rest later

Thank you for this. This is incredible!