Post-Game Talk: Oilers 3 Kings 2 - McPoints 2
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Wrong. After his rookie season he was forced to play babysitter for two wingers who didn't listen to coaches and wouldn't backcheck. His job was to allow Eberle and Hall to cheat for offense every shift.
The problem is I think Talbot overperformed last year, I don't know if he can replicate that again for a full season.
He's a good guy but he's not like a superstar goalie ala Price, Lundqvist, etc. but that's how he played for this team last year.
You can't rely on Cam to do that every year and when he can't, the D gets exposed for being crappy.
He's a good guy but he's not like a superstar goalie ala Price, Lundqvist, etc. but that's how he played for this team last year.
You can't rely on Cam to do that every year and when he can't, the D gets exposed for being crappy.
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...and the PP.
The percentage of high danger scoring chances given up was the biggest problem IMO.
The special teams that had Eberle replaced by a career 4th liner on the PP. And he never would have sniffed the PK.
But losing Eberle is where we went wrong lol.
Meh, I'm not going to talk about Eberle. The special team this year has been a tire fire. Only until one of McLellan's golden boys in Letestu got traded is when our PK started improving. PP is still shit under Woodcrap though. Coaching staff needs to go.
If your argument now is that Chiarelli had to choose between Vanek and Slepyshev and chose Slepyshev, no, that does not acquit Chia of being a terrible evaluator of talent. In fact, it makes him look even worse in that regard.
In fact, I'm going to term it right now: Nabob's Law, where every attempt to make Chiarelli look good inevitably paints him in a worse light. You've basically written the mathematical proof in this thread.
Wait a second...
No hypocrisy there. None at all.
Just like it's been repeated a thousand times that the earth is round and 2+2=4, yes. Just because it is said often and agreed upon by many does not make it untrue.
You, on the other hand, want to swim against the current and insist that the guy who traded Hall, Eberle and the picks used on Barzal and Anthony Beauvillier for what amounts to Larsson and Strome is a good GM.
Unfortunately, as I've already stated, the results are what they are, and reality clearly disagrees with you.
And yet he was still producing offense on par with what he is this year. The only time his point production tailed off dramatically was when TMacT tried to make him a defensive specialist.
You really don't know how facts work, do you?
It's almost like the GM could have done something to improve both of those areas. Again, Nabob's Law at work.
I just find it funny that you can't point out the weaknesses of this team and are just cherry picking the most obvious and most repeated things to try to look smart. You don't even know where the team went wrong this year if you're crying about Eberle.
Not that this has anything to do with this thread but just a note, he did sign Jokinen thinking he might be useful. If I recall correctly, a lot of people were clamoring for Jokinen or Jagr.
So he did sign a player to a deal similar to Vanek's. Unfortunately that player didn't pan out and he's now on his third team this season.
His most common wingers by far were Eberle and Lucic. That's not a defensive specialist role. You don't have a clue. He was forced to play babysitter for Eberle, someone had to, unless you wanted Letestu as your 2C last year covering for Eberle and his unwillingness to compete.
What's your suggestions? A career backup who was dumped by Minny after being terrible last year? And Beauchemin who is barely a #6, looks way better than he actually is in a shelter role this year?
I can't "point out the weaknesses" yet keep repeating "the most obvious things". Yeah, your sentence just collapsed on itself from its own lack of internal logic.
Apparently it's not with the guy who thought trading 50+ points of production in the top six and not doing anything of note to replace it. That's just me parroting those darn facts you hate so much, I guess.
Signing Jokinen is about as nothing of an off-season as you can get, lol. How low do we need to set the bar here?
Okay, let's assume your assessment is accurate. Chiarelli apparently agreed, and decided it was a much better idea to sign... Yohann Auvitu.
Nabob's Law in action!
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/firechia.2407629/page-319
It's like you read this thread and just keep repeating the words of others. Then add in that Chia should have signed a failed backup, a over hill slow Dman and a player who failed as a trade deadline pickup. Then claim those would have genius moves and he should have forced them to sign here. Brilliant. Brilliant use of 100% hindsight and cherry picking 3 players that worked out else where...well 2 actually as Kuemper has fallen back below a .900sv goalie now that he isn't playing behind a great defensive team.
Let's go with Sam's law. Force all UFA's who don't want to sign with your team to sign there. If you can't you're a failure.
Where you calling for the 38 year old Beauchemin to be signed last offseason? No you weren't. Not to mention that everyone knew he was either going back to Anaheim, where he lives, or retiring. Once again hindsight and cherry picking without considering the facts.
Yes, how dare I repeat facts. That's terrible for your narrative, how silly of me. I'm sorry.
And once again, Chia used his big, smart brain and decided that the much better alternative was to pass up on all those and trainwrecks and sign... Auvitu.
Nabob's Law Bingo!
So according to you and Sam's law he should have
- released or traded LB to force Kuemper (who had a much much worse season last year) to sign here as a UFA. Kuemper is back to being a sub.900sv player and will be lucky to get a contract next year.
- Force the 38 year old Beauchemin to not go back to the comfort of home in Anaheim, instead force him to sign here. That's what we needed a #6/7 Dman whomis a pylon. That would have fixed everything.
- force the player who was the biggest trade deadline flop in recent years to sign in Edmonton.
None of those moves would have fixed the issues with this team this year. Yet is sure is convenient to bring them up.
Actually I think Vanek and Beaucheman (and I advocated for both in the summer) would've helped our PK and especially the PP.
Vanek in Letestu's spot would clean up, his shot release is far superior. Beaucheman over Benning on the PK probably helps settle things down with smarter plays/reads too.
So saying "they wouldn't have helped" ... I'm pretty sure they would have.
Vanek in Letestu's spot would clean up, his shot release is far superior. Beaucheman over Benning on the PK probably helps settle things down with smarter plays/reads too.
So saying "they wouldn't have helped" ... I'm pretty sure they would have.
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I'm glad you agree that if you can't do your job, you're a failure.
I called for Chiarelli to backfill Sekera until his return from injury. That he had a multitude of options- both in free agency and via trade- and failed to do anything but sign Auvitu is Nabob's Law all over again.
Ah yes, another "everyone knew" that actually only Nabob knew (re: invented) because it suits his argument. How refreshing.
Kuemper... was re-signed by the Coyotes almost as soon as he arrived in Arizona? Strike one.
Once again, you're inventing things. Beauchemin sold his home in Orange County back in '15. His off-season home was in Montreal. Strike two.
If he was really the "biggest flop", it shouldn't have been hard for Chiarelli to convince him to sign, right? Strike three, and another perfect example of Nabob's Law.
Yes, it's convenient to bring up players who would have helped. It also would have been convenient- some would say "expected"- for Chiarelli to have pursued them or players like them to sign in an effort to improve his team.
Instead, his best chess move was to sign Auvitu. Real good stuff.
