Post-Game Talk: Oilers 2, Islanders 1 (SO)

[Drivesaitl]

What an ugly ugly game. 2 ****ty teams going at it, neither can Gerard any nice plays that lead to good chances. I guess McDavid got a point though, we won, and Ebs didn't get a point. So there's positives there, but man this team we have here is horrible. Our dmen can't hit the net, our forwards can't create plays and have zero chemistry with each other. Thank god we have McDavid.

It was a tight checking game and both clubs were limiting open ice and chances. The type of game where the Islanders were the road team and had to come out with 2pts and didn't. So gutting it out by the Oilers and getting something. This is the type of W the Oilers had confidence getting last season. What I liked is we did enough to give Talbot a chance on making the stops and seeing pucks. We're a lot better club when we do that.
Clearly we need additional scoring, that is the issue.

Bad game by Drai, didn't really seem to be in it. The stretch of playing out the string games starting to get to him. McD was much better. Lucic was typically awful. Our first unit essentially doesn't have a PP with Lucic on the ice. He simply does nothing, He's not even consistently screening, he doesn't touch or deflect anything around the net. We're putting the most futile player on the team and putting him in the Smyth office. My lord. I'd rather see even Pakarinen in there. Almost anybody else. find somebody that can create something in that position.

Good games by our bottomsix. Especially Khaira, Pak, Kass.

I do think the Nuge line has to be better. I really don't think Aberg is getting enough size and strength on that line. Would be better for him to have Drai as a Center.

Finally, Nuge got multiple looks with McD and demonstrating why it doesn't happen a lot. On one rush its a 3 on 2 with time. With McD and somebody else. Nuge has puck, and creates nothing on the rush. Simply shoots into a block and the puck deflects out. So that McD rushing in for a scoring chance sniffs nothing. Nuge over last year or so is shoot everything in sight, even if he doesn't have a shot. On another oddman rush in the game he pads an easy shot negating the opportunity. It was a realy white bread game from Nuge. Needs to be better than this.

in baseball parlance Nuge is hitting into men on bases easy pop flies to end innings. That's what he brought tonight.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Let's be honest, if McDavid and Drai took less than 21M they'd have wingers

going forward in the cap this isn't going to be an issue and it isn't the primary reason we don't have legit wingers. An org that devalued all the winger quality we had is the reason. Imagine right now if we had Hall instead of Lucic at identical pay, and say Eberle instead of the Russell or Sekera contract. Then we don't pay out Pouliot and give him a bottomsix role with occasional fill higher the few times he's into it.

Same cap, much different scoring.

 

[Canovin]

going forward in the cap this isn't going to be an issue and it isn't the primary reason we don't have legit wingers. An org that devalued all the winger quality we had is the reason. Imagine right now if we had Hall instead of Lucic at identical pay, and say Eberle instead of the Russell or Sekera contract. Then we don't pay out Pouliot and give him a bottomsix role with occasional fill higher the few times he's into it.

Same cap, much different scoring.

Sounds like 2015-16. We missed the playoffs by a large margin

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

McDavid:

27:27 TOI
1 goal
9 shots
6 takeaways
1 penalty shot
Shootout winner
3rd star

He played 13:20 of the final 25 minutes.

The only way McLellan can overcome his bad coaching. Just double shift McDavid. He's one of the few players in the NHL that can be successful despite the coaching.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Sounds like 2015-16. We missed the playoffs by a large margin

That was rookie Mcd and we didn't even have him in the lineup much of the season.

We're missing the playoffs by a wide margin now. Because we have no offensive depth and we can't score.

 

[nabob]

It wouldn't surprised me if Chia didn't made any offseason moves just to stick it to McDavid and Drai faces. McDavid is my favorite player but doesn't mean i have to like to his deal

This is an incredibly dumb comment.

 

[nabob]

That was rookie Mcd and we didn't even have him in the lineup much of the season.

We're missing the playoffs by a wide margin now. Because we have no offensive depth and we can't score.

We're missing the playoffs because our goalie can't stop the first shot of the game. Because our top 3 Dmen have been hurt almost all season. Because our young wingers on their ELC's besides Jujar and Puljujarvi have flopped. Offensive depth isn't the biggest issue. It's one of many.

 

[LTIR]

We're missing the playoffs because our goalie can't stop the first shot of the game. Because our top 3 Dmen have been hurt almost all season. Because our young wingers on their ELC's besides Jujar and Puljujarvi have flopped. Offensive depth isn't the biggest issue. It's one of many.

dont forget the PK and PP.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It doesn't matter which GM it is. No GM put in that position has any leverage over McDavid.

No player is God. Tavares signed an incredibly good deal despite being a world class talent. Chia set the bar with Lucic/Russell/Sekera deals, then decided to wait until after the playoffs to sign Draisatl. He is far from blameless when he continues to overpay players.

 

[Canovin]

No player is God. Tavares signed an incredibly good deal despite being a world class talent. Chia set the bar with Lucic/Russell/Sekera deals, then decided to wait until after the playoffs to sign Draisatl. He is far from blameless when he continues to overpay players.

Tavares took less money because that's the kind of person he is and not because Snow is some kind of genius

 

[Drivesaitl]

We're missing the playoffs because our goalie can't stop the first shot of the game. Because our top 3 Dmen have been hurt almost all season. Because our young wingers on their ELC's besides Jujar and Puljujarvi have flopped. Offensive depth isn't the biggest issue. It's one of many.

We have McD and Draisaitl on the team and we're bottom 10 scoring. How is that even possible.

We have the worst PP in the league. Again how is that even possible.

Clearly lack of supporting offense is a huge problem. Winger help is a huge problem. Our top scoring Winger has 11 goals.

 

[nabob]

No player is God. Tavares signed an incredibly good deal despite being a world class talent. Chia set the bar with Lucic/Russell/Sekera deals, then decided to wait until after the playoffs to sign Draisatl. He is far from blameless when he continues to overpay players.

Did Tavares sign his new deal yet? When did that happen.

 

[nabob]

dont forget the PK and PP.

Who could forget the worst special teams in the league.

 

[CycloneSweep]

the Isles have Barzal, Tavares and Eberle and are going to miss the playoffs

Much closer than we are

 

[Little Fury]

Jesse had a pretty solid game last night. Needs to get his sights adjusted, but as the fact he keeps getting looks is the main reason I'm high on him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Is there any good sources out there for missed shots? Looking at player stats as well as team per game stats. thanks.

Oilers were particularly brutal at missing the net completely last night. That killed a lot of chances. Jesse needs a new gunsight.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Did Tavares sign his new deal yet? When did that happen.

When he signed his second contract, he signed for 5.5 per year, a very, very reasonable deal.

 

[nabob]

We have McD and Draisaitl on the team and we're bottom 10 scoring. How is that even possible.

We have the worst PP in the league. Again how is that even possible.

Clearly lack of supporting offense is a huge problem. Winger help is a huge problem. Our top scoring Winger has 11 goals.

Klefbom hasn't been 1/10 the offensive threat he was last year. That combined with Drai and Letestu being very poor on the PP to start the season has had a huge impact on the PP numbers this season. It has looked substantially better since Strome, and now Bear, have been put on the top unit.

Your last point is ignoring facts like we just traded our top scoring winger and that Drai has been playing RW for a large portion of the season. Also ignores that our current top scoring winger is stapled to the 4th line playing his off wing. Also ignores that Strome has played wing a lot as well this year.

Goaltending
Defenseman injuries / poor play
PK - terrible scheme and coaching as well as weak goals
PP production from top unit
Shit Reffing

Have all contributed more IMO

 

[LTIR]

We have McD and Draisaitl on the team and we're bottom 10 scoring. How is that even possible.

We have the worst PP in the league. Again how is that even possible.

Clearly lack of supporting offense is a huge problem. Winger help is a huge problem. Our top scoring Winger has 11 goals.

coaching is a huge problem on the PP. Lack of finishers another.
Ryan friggin Nugent Hopkins is leading the team in PPGs this year despite being out for 20 games. He is an overpasser himself. We need to go hard for someone like Simmonds this offseason.

 

[nabob]

When he signed his second contract, he signed for 5.5 per year, a very, very reasonable deal.

You realize that was signed in 2011 right? When the cap was substantially lower after he put up 67 points in 79 games after his 2nd full season.

Makes little sense to compare the two deals.

 

[GMofOilers]

Even though I didnt like Talbot on the 1st GA, I thought that was his best game since Nov.

We didnt give the Islanders much, but a bit, and Talbot was able to make a save or 2 last night for the first time in forever.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You realize that was signed in 2011 right? When the cap was substantially lower after he put up 67 points in 79 games after his 2nd full season.

Makes little sense to compare the two deals.

So what? We paid Eberle/Hall/RNH 6 per. It was considered a very affordable deal for it's day and the quality of player Tavares was.

The point is it's a GM's job to negotiate affordable deals and he simply cannot do that and hasn't shown that ability at all.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Much closer than we are

disagree

we have better goaltending, defense and center depth

 

[CycloneSweep]

disagree

we have better goaltending, defense and center depth

The have incredibly better offense, have a good amount of picks and prospects to fix the defense. Also not in cap hell so they can fix their defense that way

 

[CycloneSweep]

Sounds like 2015-16. We missed the playoffs by a large margin

31-43-8
McDavid rookie year. Missed half.
Klefbom missed 50 games.
Draisaitl was just starting to get good.

This year? 29-34-4 still missing the playoffs by a large margin. We would be better now if they did nothing