Bryanbryoil
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Offseason Poll #2: Who will have a better season - Foegele or Yamamoto?
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The Panther
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I haven't got a clue about Foegele as I've never seen him play. But good luck!
I think Yamamoto will have a bounce-back, strong season. Hopefully he has been working on his shot, which looked increasingly like a muffin as last year went on.
I would like to see Yamamoto get some more PP-time. Even though he's tiny, he's somehow very effective in front of the net (which is also the only place he can score from!).
Lines maybe roll like this:
Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - McLeod - Kassian
I think Yamamoto will have a bounce-back, strong season. Hopefully he has been working on his shot, which looked increasingly like a muffin as last year went on.
I would like to see Yamamoto get some more PP-time. Even though he's tiny, he's somehow very effective in front of the net (which is also the only place he can score from!).
Lines maybe roll like this:
Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - McLeod - Kassian
The Panther
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Yamamoto almost certainly has better hands than Foegele.
In the last 79 games (i.e., one season's worth), Yamamoto has 19 goals, 28 assists, and 47 points (and went +26). His shooting percentage in those games is 16.8%.
In the last 79 games, Foegele has 15 goals, 16 assists, and 31 points (and went +1). His shooting percentage in those 79 games in 11.2%.
If Foegele somehow earns PP time, or plays with McDavid or something, he might outscore Yamamoto marginally, but otherwise forget it.
28 of Yamamoto's points came from a hot streak on a line with RNH - Drai - Yams, where their line was shooting like 18% on ice or something absurd.
They both had similar seasons of production last year, one was stapled to Draisaitl, the other played in Carolina.
The Panther
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Well, if Tippett doesn't start out-thinking himself (as he usually does after one loss), the RNH - Drai - Yams line will be a thing again next season.
Anyway, as I said, I haven't seen Foegele play so I'll reserve judgement until I do.
I do get a little annoyed with the Oiler fans' typical "whoever-is-new-and-different-must-be-great, and whoever-struggled-for-20-games-must-be-a-bum" line of reasoning. I hope Foegele suddenly becomes a 50-goal scorer, but since, in four seasons, he has surpassed 20 points once, it's very unlikely he's going to have better hands than, or outscore, Kailer Yamamoto.
Kailer struggled for 56 games. and outside of a 28 game stretch, has struggled for the rest of his career.
Foegele had 18 5on5 points this year with far inferior linemates compared to Yamamoto's 16.
Foegele had a 1.6 p/60 with his Center being at 1.69 p/60.
Yamamoto had a 1.28 p/60 with his Center being at 2.64 p/60.
Drivesaitl
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Exactly this. It screams outlier at this point unless Yama does something to prove otherwise. The line was getting some incredible puck luck as well.
Drai will improve players, not sure how this isn't noted. But he's helped by somebody that can get into scoring spots and hang around. Yama isn't that guy.
Drivesaitl
Finding Hyman
If you count both playoffs Yama has 8 goals in his last 64GP. Playing all his minutes with an MVP player. yeah, doesn't add up to all that much.
I don't know who will have a better year but I can't be the only one who finds the strong contingent of "Trade Yamamoto" sentiment on this forum to be disturbing.
It seems to be a general theme with this place.
Young player gets glorified after a good pre-NHL career, young player shows a hint of struggles in the NHL, time to ship young player out.
This is not to say that he doesn't have some warts in his game, mainly lack of size for the style of game he plays, but the trade Yamamoto crowd are becoming way too loud this offseason.
My solution? Keep developing the young player who will likely be on a bargain contract for the next two years (something the Oilers desperately need) and maintain and build on the best forward depth they've had since ???
I know it's a crazy idea but it might be crazy enough to work to actually see through the development of homegrown talent.
If they can deal him for a clear upgrade (like a legit, young #1 goalie like Gibson for example or an upgrade at forward) then sure, but I don't think he holds that level of value currently.
With that said, this is a "prove it" year for Yamamoto if he wants to keep his standing in the top 6 because there's some real depth now and the prospects are coming.
It seems to be a general theme with this place.
Young player gets glorified after a good pre-NHL career, young player shows a hint of struggles in the NHL, time to ship young player out.
This is not to say that he doesn't have some warts in his game, mainly lack of size for the style of game he plays, but the trade Yamamoto crowd are becoming way too loud this offseason.
My solution? Keep developing the young player who will likely be on a bargain contract for the next two years (something the Oilers desperately need) and maintain and build on the best forward depth they've had since ???
I know it's a crazy idea but it might be crazy enough to work to actually see through the development of homegrown talent.
If they can deal him for a clear upgrade (like a legit, young #1 goalie like Gibson for example or an upgrade at forward) then sure, but I don't think he holds that level of value currently.
With that said, this is a "prove it" year for Yamamoto if he wants to keep his standing in the top 6 because there's some real depth now and the prospects are coming.
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Bryanbryoil
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We're moving into win now mode. If he wants too much money or we can upgrade somewhere else of need, I could see him being moved.
Behind Enemy Lines
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I think it's more important that Yamamoto have a bounce back year. He's a young player that got smoked with some hard development reality and adversity. Personally, I hope that Yamamoto will start this season as a 3W energy player to build confident and work on his finishing skills on a support line where there's more margin to nurture consistency.
There's a tenacious, assertive player there. Will benefit with more size and assertiveness that's been added. I'm still unsure he can become a consistent offensive producer but Yamo is a good support piece.
Foegele sounds like he's bring the work ethic and aggressive puck hunting game this team sorely needs. I'm not sure that will necessarily translate into offensive production.
There's a tenacious, assertive player there. Will benefit with more size and assertiveness that's been added. I'm still unsure he can become a consistent offensive producer but Yamo is a good support piece.
Foegele sounds like he's bring the work ethic and aggressive puck hunting game this team sorely needs. I'm not sure that will necessarily translate into offensive production.
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and again...
Honestly I think Foegele is more than a little overrated. I think Yamo is a much better player... but hopefully Foegele has a decent season as well and the Oilers FINALLY have a solid middle six.
The Panther
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I personally thought Yamamoto still had a strong season last year, but unfortunately he lost his scoring touch in the past 20-25 games. Whether he scores a lot or not, I just find him a really unique player. He's so clever checking opposition forwards and getting himself into good physical position, despite his size.
Whether or not he gets that scoring touch back is key to his future career. If he doesn't, he won't last long on the Drai-line and he'll become a really good third-line player. If he does, he's going to be a less-irritating Tikkanen-like 1st or 2nd line player.
Whether or not he gets that scoring touch back is key to his future career. If he doesn't, he won't last long on the Drai-line and he'll become a really good third-line player. If he does, he's going to be a less-irritating Tikkanen-like 1st or 2nd line player.
