Speculation: Off Season Trade Thread Vol. VII

[Do Make Say Think]

It's probably out of anyone's but Melnyk's control to see that Karlsson stays

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We should just hoard all the Karlsson; we've already had 3 go through our system, we should try and pry William out of Anaheim and then see if Henrick is interested in a backup role in the ECHL

There can be only one

 

[John Holmes*]

So Karlsson gets excused for having terrible partners but Spezza doesn't

This is especially glaring once you see how great he was once Hemsky was brought in

A defenseman who plays almost half the game is obviously going to be on the ice for more goals against than a forward that plays less than a third of the game.

The fact that Spezza has even worse numbers than Karlsson does says a lot.

Ek didn't have a great season. The team overall sucked. This is not news. Yes Spezza played better near the end of the year too.

He still doesn't scare me at all as a Leaf. Yeah he'll get his points and he'll win games wherever he is. He'll help them lose some as well.

I just don't understand how anyone can fear Spezza as an opponent.

 

[Blotto71]

Spezza for Shattenkirk,
Shattenkirk for O'Reilly,
Sign Niskanen and Jokinen from (signing Jokinen in place of Michalek allows Lazar time to learn wing at NHL level) Pittsburgh,
Greening, Smith, Weircoch traded

Cap Payroll $51,798,167

Jokinen - O'Reilly - Ryan
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Condra
Lazar - Grant - Neil

Karlsson - Niskanen
Methot - Cowen
Borowiecki - Ceci
Phillips

Anderson
Lehner

 

[Hemmer Time]

Spezza for Shattenkirk,
Shattenkirk for O'Reilly,
Sign Niskanen and Jokinen from (signing Jokinen in place of Michalek allows Lazar time to learn wing at NHL level) Pittsburgh,
Greening, Smith, Weircoch traded

Cap Payroll $51,798,167

Jokinen - O'Reilly - Ryan
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Condra
Lazar - Grant - Neil

Karlsson - Niskanen
Methot - Cowen
Borowiecki - Ceci
Phillips

Anderson
Lehner

Spezza won't get Shattenkirk straight up, and Shattenkirk wouldn't get O'Rielly straight up. We could probably do something like Spezza + Wiercioch for Shattenkirk + STL 2nd 2014,

Then trade Shattenkirk + OTT 2nd + Puempel for O'Rielly . Trade Smith + Borowiecki + STL 2nd for Leddy.

Trade Michalek + Hemsky rights for Jokinen + conditional 2015 5th rounder. (We shouldn't sign Niskanen, he will get really overpaid).


Defence:

Leddy - Karlsson
Methot - Ceci
Cowen - Gryba
Phillips

 

[Busboy]

A defenseman who plays almost half the game is obviously going to be on the ice for more goals against than a forward that plays less than a third of the game.

The fact that Spezza has even worse numbers than Karlsson does says a lot.

Ek didn't have a great season. The team overall sucked. This is not news. Yes Spezza played better near the end of the year too.

He still doesn't scare me at all as a Leaf. Yeah he'll get his points and he'll win games wherever he is. He'll help them lose some as well.

I just don't understand how anyone can fear Spezza as an opponent.

How could you possibly not understand why we would be scared if we were trading our best offensive player to our fiercest rival? Spezza makes 30/30 teams in the NHL better, I don't see how anyone could realistically make the case otherwise unless the team has given up star assets in exchange (unlikely).

 

[HSF]

How could you possibly not understand why we would be scared if we were trading our best offensive player to our fiercest rival? Spezza makes 30/30 teams in the NHL better, I don't see how anyone could realistically make the case otherwise unless the team has given up star assets in exchange (unlikely).

Lmao it blows my mind how some fans can't see this.


We would literally be giving Toronto an EIGHTY...80! point player. That is insane when you look at how close the margin to get into the playoffs is

 

[HSF]

If Karlsson doesn't clean up his defense we are toast.


As Maclean said we need Karlsson to play his 30 mins for OUR side. Not for both sides

 

[HSF]

looking at some past deals for stars:

Gaborik to CBJ for Brassard + Moore + Dorsett

Nash to NYR for Dubinsky + Anisimov + Erixon


Contracts were different but that is probably comparable to something like

Berglund + Rattie + Bottom 6 player
Bonino+DSP/Etem+ bottom 6 player

Berglund + Sobotka + Cole?


Something around that is fair to say?

 

[Micklebot]

A defenseman who plays almost half the game is obviously going to be on the ice for more goals against than a forward that plays less than a third of the game.

The fact that Spezza has even worse numbers than Karlsson does says a lot.

Ek didn't have a great season. The team overall sucked. This is not news. Yes Spezza played better near the end of the year too.

He still doesn't scare me at all as a Leaf. Yeah he'll get his points and he'll win games wherever he is. He'll help them lose some as well.

I just don't understand how anyone can fear Spezza as an opponent.

I guess there are two types of people;

Those who have the foresight to see that this year was not the norm, and can look past that to see the potential for Spezza to play like he did in 11/12, and those with the memory of a goldfish who can only see how Spezza played coming off back surgery and a missed season, assuming that that will be the norm for the foreseeable future.

Sure it's possible that Spezza's injuries have cause long term ramifications, but if you can't see the potential for Spezza coming back to haunt us, then I have to question your foresight.

 

[Benjamin]

looking at some past deals for stars:

Gaborik to CBJ for Brassard + Moore + Dorsett

Nash to NYR for Dubinsky + Anisimov + Erixon


Contracts were different but that is probably comparable to something like

Berglund + Rattie + Bottom 6 player
Bonino+DSP/Etem+ bottom 6 player

Berglund + Sobotka + Cole?


Something around that is fair to say?

Well it sounds like Murray values the pick and prospect more than meh roster players.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

A defenseman who plays almost half the game is obviously going to be on the ice for more goals against than a forward that plays less than a third of the game.

The fact that Spezza has even worse numbers than Karlsson does says a lot.

Ek didn't have a great season. The team overall sucked. This is not news. Yes Spezza played better near the end of the year too.

He still doesn't scare me at all as a Leaf. Yeah he'll get his points and he'll win games wherever he is. He'll help them lose some as well.

I just don't understand how anyone can fear Spezza as an opponent.

Because he's good at the sport of ice hockey.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't care where we trade him. We make the trade that makes our team better. We need to take the best deal available. In my eyes. If spezza comes back to beat us a few times in the regular season over the next few seasons then so be it. We need to look after ourselves long term though from our perspective.

 

[Benjamin]

OK I'll play.

In almost 9 minutes more ice time per game, Karlsson had 43 points ESP and was a - 15.

He also had to deal with numerous and often terrible partners, floaters like Spezza and Michalek turning the puck over constantly, GSN getting hemmed in to the zone for entire shifts and subpar goaltending.

Completely different situations.

Spezza: +/- per 60 On -0.94 , +/- per 60 Off +0.14
Karlsson: +/- per 60 On 0.00 , +/- per 60 Off -0.16

 

[HSF]

I don't care where we trade him. We make the trade that makes our team better. We need to take the best deal available. In my eyes. If spezza comes back to beat us a few times in the regular season over the next few seasons then so be it. We need to look after ourselves long term though from our perspective.

it isnt just about beating us which is still a ton of point


toronto would be beating other teams now with a top center. to get into the playoffs you need to beat your division not the east.

If Spezza is good for another 5 years that is potentially 5 years of us getting smacked by toronto. From a PR and a team standpoint it isn't worth it. Playoffs = money and bad PR = less money

 

[Benjamin]

Toronto dominates us anyways.

 

[HSF]

Toronto dominates us anyways.

so we should feed them our talent?


Ya cause Chara and his Boston Bruins smacking us and winning a cup over the years isnt enough

 

[Benjamin]

so we should feed them our talent?


Ya cause Chara and his Boston Bruins smacking us and winning a cup over the years isnt enough

Spezza is the type of player I have no problem playing against.

Plus we get assets back as well btw

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If we get kadri + back. That makes us better long term. Yeah I can guarentee spezza probably getting a 2 PPG against us for the next 2-3 years

 

[HSF]

Spezza is the type of player I have no problem playing against.

Plus we get assets back as well btw

we give up the best player


anyways i am done debating Spezza isn't going to toronto

 

[John Holmes*]

Wow this Spezza cat sounds like a hell of a player. Maybe we should keep him or something.

Someone organize a rally.

 

[HSF]

Wow this Spezza cat sounds like a hell of a player. Maybe we should keep him or something.

Murray and Maclean both said they want to but Spezza doesn't

 

[Droc]

Lmao it blows my mind how some fans can't see this.


We would literally be giving Toronto an EIGHTY...80! point player. That is insane when you look at how close the margin to get into the playoffs is

Agreed.

Like him or hate him, he consistently puts up the points.
No matter what we do with Spezza, we will be lucky to get someone who puts up half his points, and on a team that cant put up points, that just moves us down more.
Spezza is a pain, but I dont see how we can afford to take that much out of our point totals.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Spezza for Shattenkirk,
Shattenkirk for O'Reilly,=

This is what I really want. Get Shattenkirk somehow and flip him for O'Reilly.

Yes, our defense will be better with Shattenkirk but I believe our offense needs O'Reilly much much more.

Btw, Hemmer, we should definitely be able to get Shattenkirk straight up. I'm willing to add a lot by Shattenkirk to get O'Reilly.

 

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