Proposal: Nylander for Weber

[HockeyDBspecialist]

The only way that happens is because they're stars. If Marner puts up another great season he might get 8.5... I'm expecting around 11-11.5 for Matthews at this point.
That's a lot, but worth it. Certainly still doesn't necessitate trading willy for weber

I get it, we just don'T agree on that trade and it's fine, it's what a debate is about.
I still think it would benefit both teams but it's my opinion and you have yours!

 

[WhatWhat]

Sutter ? ( hurt but still played like a beast before the injury)
Chara ? ( best +/- in the league at 41)
Giordano ?
Mike green ?( one of his best season yet and he is heavily offensive)
burns ? ( and he is an offensive D)


shall I continue ?

Listing off players who have not declined is not an argument for why Weber wont decline.... that's not how it works lol. There are just as many D who fall off a cliff around 33. It would be equally stupid for me to say Weber will decline because Seabrook did.

I'm not a MTL fan or a TO fan. I think Weber is a very good D but he is at the age where decline starts to be a legit possibility and there no no way of knowing when it will start. Because of that I think it would be insanely stupid for Toronto to trade a guy of Nylanders and and production for someone like Weber who at the absolute best will give you 5 years to Nylanders 12.

Doesn't matter how you slice it, or how many times you tell TO fans "lol have fun with your D then" nothing will change the fact that your proposal is horrible

 

[BM14]

You can't even get Alex Nylander with that.

 

[rent free]

Sutter ? ( hurt but still played like a beast before the injury)
Chara ? ( best +/- in the league at 41)
Giordano ?
Mike green ?( one of his best season yet and he is heavily offensive)
burns ? ( and he is an offensive D)


shall I continue ?

these guys are the exception not the norm.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Hell no.

1st, Zaitsev, Martin is the best I can do

 

[Field of Dreams]

We don't think trading a young budding star for a rapidly declining 33 year old #1 defenseman is a good idea. That should not have been a surprise, habs fans. You don't need to start attacking us because we are unwilling to make the same mistake as Bergevin.

That doesn't mean Weber doesn't have value. My recommendation is to look at teams that are in their final years of contention, then dial back your expectations, because you're not getting close to a subban or even Nylander type return.

 

[Morbo]

If the Leafs ever did decide to trade Nylander, it's definitely not going to be a for a 33 year old player with a huge contract.

 

[loyaltotheend]

I get it, we just don'T agree on that trade and it's fine, it's what a debate is about.
I still think it would benefit both teams but it's my opinion and you have yours!

My main reason for arguing is the misconception that money is going to be an issue.

As for the trade we are both entitled to our opinions. The poll seems to indicate most agree with me

Cheers

 

[beowulf]

How does this make sense in your mind at all? I am a Habs fan and if this trade ever happened I'd suddenly believe in Bergevin....

 

[34]

Nope, no way, sorry.

Nylander is too good already and will be a stud for years to come.

 

[LeafGrief]

Wait, if a team can only succeed with a big money #1D, who is going to be the big money #1 on the Habs? Mete?

I'm really sad that I wasn't around for the first few hours of this thread. There are a lot of good laughs and real zingers in here.

 

[Bobee]

Voted no and im a mtl guy

 

[Menzinger]

Given Weber’s age and contract, there isn’t a single team in the leaguebthatvwouldnoffer a young (as in 22ish) year old core roster player on Nylander’s level. There’s just far too large of an age discrepancy for any Gm to agree, especially now that the league is more dominated by youth than ever.

If Weber is traded it will be for a quantity type package of picks and prospects.

 

[shortfuze]

Because the Leafs aren't getting Weber for free, they are giving up an asset who will likely have a positive impact on the team for many more years than Weber would.

Don't think a lot of teams like to trade young contract controlled talent for mid 30s defenders who are recovering from a major surgery and are paid a ton of money for the next almost decade.

Well I’m not sure if you think I was talking about Nylander but I’m not. I have always said that if I was toronto I would trade picks and prospects and if that wasn’t good enough for them then fine, no hard feelings but they aren’t getting Nylander.

You need a good mix of older and younger players on the team and that goes for the defence as well. Having an experienced defenceman like Weber on the team would really help them. Especially Rielly. Having a top pairing futon the team is going to cost a lot. A lot of the top guys get paid very well. I’m not sure how much the top teams pay their 1st pairing defencemen but I’m sure if Toronto got Weber you’re looking at around 12.8 million. How much does Nashville pay there’s? How about sanjose? Or Tampa? Pretty sure toronto would be right there with them. I’m not to sure on the actual numbers though but I would think pretty close.

Now if you don’t want him because of his injury and think he may have lost a step that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion but not everyone thinks that way and think he should be able to come back with no issues.

 

[ChuckWoods]

Sell this crap elsewhere.

No matter how good Weber has been, and still could be.... that contract will greatly hinder his return.

I dont see in any world where Montreal rids themselves of Webers contract for an already established young Top 6 forward with 1st line potential.

Now thats not to say they cant move him for decent pieces or find another solid 1 for 1 deal. He does have value, but landing something along the lines of a Nylander is currently out of the question unless he has a significant season, then we can revisit that theory at the trade deadline.

 

[Kamiccolo]

People realize that the Leafs finished last overall 3 years ago, and their best players are 21? Then why is everyone acting like two first round exists mean the team has failed? The team is still learning.

 

[naruto]

Ppl/leaf haters are so concerned with the leafs having to pay the big bucks to the big 3 but now ppl are suggesting they should take on a declining vet for 8m?

Lololololol.

And trade nylander too ahahahahhahaha

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

You're very poorly informed on Toronto's cap situation.

Agree, for some reason Leaf haters think the Leafs can't sign their young stars.....though all other teams can sign their young stars. What the Leafs can't do is sign all there young stars and top UFA (Doughty/Karlsson) in 2019/20.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Weber is not a #1 D ? the guy carried Team canada defense, still has great years to come. The guy is a warrior and prob the best mentor in the league for your immature blue line. I think he would be the perfect fit.

Bouwmeester played for team Canada and looked great yet is an embarrassment in the NHL.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Name 30 defenceman who are realistically better then him right now. Heck, if you can name 15 who are better “right now”, I’d be very impressed.

Not in exact order but:
Karlsson, Doughty, Hedman, Subban, Pietrangelo, OEL, Suter, Giordano, Keith, Josi, Klingberg, Vlasic, Letang, Burns, Jones, Slavin, Werenski, Byfuglien, Lindholm, Provorov.

Those are all I can think of for now. That's 20 Dman better than Weber. Bolded aren't debatable, anyone who thinks Weber is better than bolded is a homer or an individual that is still stuck in the 70s.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Every leafs fan ever , when a franchise player wanna join the leafs

1st pick (25) , 4th liner + 4th liner + b prospect

for
Doughty , Karlsson , Weber

Also Tavares and Stamkos are from Toronto they will all sign under 7m to make the Golden state of Toronto.

every single time.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Not in exact order but:
Karlsson, Doughty, Hedman, Subban, Pietrangelo, OEL, Suter, Giordano, Keith, Josi, Klingberg, Vlasic, Letang, Burns, Jones, Slavin, Werenski, Byfuglien, Lindholm, Provorov.

Those are all I can think of for now. That's 20 Dman better than Weber. Bolded aren't debatable, anyone who thinks Weber is better than bolded is a homer or an individual that is still stuck in the 70s.

You gave a list with Letang not being debatable. Stopped taking you serious there.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Not in exact order but:
Karlsson, Doughty, Hedman, Subban, Pietrangelo, OEL, Suter, Giordano, Keith, Josi, Klingberg, Vlasic, Letang, Burns, Jones, Slavin, Werenski, Byfuglien, Lindholm, Provorov.

Those are all I can think of for now. That's 20 Dman better than Weber. Bolded aren't debatable, anyone who thinks Weber is better than bolded is a homer or an individual that is still stuck in the 70s.

Giordano, Josi, Keith, suter are all not superior than Weber in my mind. DOn'T forget that weber was injured last season since the first game.

 

[Brobust]

Weber's value is 2 1sts in the 20-30 range and a 2nd.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

We had like 10 other threads about this trade this season. NONE went well...