Player Discussion Nylander After the Contract

What was the right contract?


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Larcos_Unal

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I can't understand how so many feel it's okay for them to mail it in, especially when you look at the money these guys make...........

You never, ever mail it in. It's a lack of culture and awareness.
Lots of guys on here are on the fast track to a job in Management at MLSE

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ZEBROA

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He knows and will try to come back to the new normal. With no help from the coach it seems. The thing is. He should never ever be on the third line. Some people act as if Tavares is way better and deserving to be on the second line. He is not, despite current point streek.

Nylander Tavares Marner at least, dont like it bit better yhen knies holmberg Nylander, wth is that?
 

DarkKnight

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Darren Pang on TSN " I haven't been impressed with what I've seen from him of late"

He was shit before the hit too, that's just a bs excuse imo.

Show up Saturday nothing else matters.
 

Aashir Mallik

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The real season for the core 4 begin

Nylander needs to perform. He needs to be one of the best players in the series, this better not be another boston where he has 1 good game or tampa1 where he starts playing from game 4. Need production in the ozone and he average play in the dzone, don't be a liability

I don't think him on the third line will work, but keefe better be ready to adapt/change if it doesn't work
 

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DarkKnight

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LOL got a chuckle out of the bottom right one from 2019

to be fair you can make one for every one of our guys. Tavares would be 4 empty nets he's missed. Marner would be the delay of game penalties. Matthews would be him gettting ragdolled
He's the only lack of effort one though. It hurts more to me. But for sure they're all on the clock. Claude Julien today says these guys have to show a level of play with adversity, he nailed our inability to get out of comfort zone.
 

Menzinger

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I find it puzzling that a NMC isn't being negotiated as a function of contract competiteveness. Discounts should be given a NMC. Full value and plus...none. without getting into whether Willy deserves his contract or not, most agree he is at the least near the top end of what the market will bear. It isn't personal...it's business.

Borderline third line guys get NMCs and NTCs over the summer now. GMs have essentially signaled they don't value taking a firm stance on it.

When guys like Kampf are getting clauses, they're not going to put up a fight when a star asks for something similar
 

Notsince67

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Borderline third line guys get NMCs and NTCs over the summer now. GMs have essentially signaled they don't value taking a firm stance on it.

When guys like Kampf are getting clauses, they're not going to put up a fight when a star asks for something similar
Yeah. I'm not bitter but but it is dumb

I didn't make the video. But I agree with it. Marner needs to step up.
He sure does. As the second best player on the team, it is expected.
 

Hellcat

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I find it puzzling that a NMC isn't being negotiated as a function of contract competitiveness. Discounts should be given a NMC. Full value and plus...none. without getting into whether Willy deserves his contract or not, most agree he is at the least near the top end of what the market will bear. It isn't personal...it's business.

Same for me, it's clearly something many players value, it has value to the team and has value to the player and IMO some GM's they throw it away like it's worthless old candy. If a player wants to stay bad enough, that player will value the NMC/NTC enough that they will take a hair cut. If they don't value it then take the full ticket but you are not getting a NTC/NMC. It can't be both it has no value but I have to have it to sign here.
 
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Hellcat

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Borderline third line guys get NMCs and NTCs over the summer now. GMs have essentially signaled they don't value taking a firm stance on it.

When guys like Kampf are getting clauses, they're not going to put up a fight when a star asks for something similar


Sorted by TOI (least to most), some of these players at one time were great players but that in it self underlines how risky it is to hand out NMC/NTC which lock you into a player regardless of their performance.


PLAYERTEAMGPP/GPTOICLAUSE
1. Nicolas DeslauriersPHI600.078:08M-NTC
2. Conor ShearyTBL570.2611:06NTC
3. Milan LucicBOS40.511:58NMC
4. Marco ScandellaSTL650.1212:28M-NTC
5. Radek FaksaDAL740.2612:30M-NTC
6. Barclay GoodrowNYR800.1512:33M-NTC
7. Jeff CarterPIT720.2112:34NMC
8. Jesper FastCAR730.2612:36NTC
9. Blake WheelerNYR540.3912:43NTC
10. Patrick MaroonBOS510.3112:50M-NTC
11. Noel AcciariPIT550.1312:58M-NTC
12. Jakob SilfverbergANA810.2313:03M-NTC
13. Evgeni DadonovDAL510.4513:10M-NTC
14. David KämpfTOR780.2413:29M-NTC
15. Sean KuralyCBJ620.2913:44M-NTC
16. Max DomiTOR800.5913:47M-NTC
17. Brendan GallagherMTL770.413:47M-NTC, NMC
18. Frédérick GaudreauMIN670.2213:56M-NTC
19. Ilya MikheyevVAN780.414:15M-NTC
20. Max PaciorettyWSH470.4914:26NMC
21. Marcus FolignoMIN550.414:28NMC
22. Kevin HayesSTL790.3714:28M-NTC
23. Nicklas BäckströmWSH80.1314:33M-NTC
24. André BurakovskySEA490.3314:33M-NTC
25. Brandon TanevSEA660.2414:35M-NTC
26. Travis HamonicOTT480.1314:44NMC
27. Alex GoligoskiMIN360.2814:48NMC
28. Andrei KuzmenkoCGY720.6414:53M-NTC
29. Mason MarchmentDAL810.6515:03M-NTC
30. Justin HollDET380.1315:04M-NTC
31. Jamie BennDAL820.7315:07NMC
32. Patrik LaineCBJ180.515:13M-NTC
33. Calle JärnkrokTOR520.415:15M-NTC
34. Pierre EngvallNYI740.3815:19M-NTC
35. Jordan StaalCAR800.3815:22NMC
36. Josh AndersonMTL780.2615:27M-NTC
37. Brandon SaadSTL820.5115:30NTC
38. Christian DvorakMTL300.315:31M-NTC
39. Tyler JohnsonCHI670.4615:32M-NTC
40. Anders LeeNYI810.4615:34NTC
41. David PerronDET760.6215:37M-NTC
42. Ondrej PalatNJD710.4415:38NMC
43. Michael BuntingPIT810.6815:40M-NTC
44. Vladimir TarasenkoFLA760.7215:44NTC
45. Nikolaj EhlersWPG820.7415:52M-NTC
46. Alexander BarabanovSJS460.2815:52M-NTC
47. Marcus JohanssonMIN780.3815:53NTC
48. Jean-Gabriel PageauNYI820.415:54M-NTC
49. Nikita ZaitsevCHI380.1815:55M-NTC
50. Cam AtkinsonPHI700.415:56M-NTC
 

darrylsittler27

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A lot of comparisons with Marner here, so I will stick with that.

Nylander will be overpaid next season, there is no getting around that. However, I am really impressed with Nylander's turnover numbers. He has had 50% more takeaways than giveaways this season. That shows great poise and awareness, and I think it adds to his defensive value too.

Marner on the other hand had more giveaways than takeaways. He shows no poise and just gives the puck away every time someone comes to hit him- he does this a lot.
Marner will get fully exposed these playoffs. Its the Bruins, they know how to handle him. They may even have to play him with reeves so he doesnt get scared and stay 20 ft away from everyone.
 

Notsince67

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Marner will get fully exposed these playoffs. Its the Bruins, they know how to handle him. They may even have to play him with reeves so he doesnt get scared and stay 20 ft away from everyone.
Marner has more playoff points against the Bruins than anyone on the team. More likely people who dont know what they are talking about get exposed through hot takes like this.
 

Stephen

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I can't understand how so many feel it's okay for them to mail it in, especially when you look at the money these guys make...........

Yeah especially when they’ve never delivered in the playoffs. I’m a big Nylander guy but his reputation for showing up in the playoffs is relative to expectations and other big guns disappearing. He hasn’t been that great.
 

mjd1001

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I haven't seen anyone post the final numbers yet for the season, so here goes:

Before signing the extension this year:
37 games, 21 goals, 33 assists, 54 points, +5, (20:16 ice time per game)
(47 goals, 73 assists, 120 points, +11) over an 82 game pace

Since signing the extension:
45 games, 19 goals, 25 assists, 44 points, -4 (19:38 ice time per game)
(34 goal, 46 assist, 80 points, -7) over an 82 game pace

Just the raw numbers. Maybe it has to do with how productive his linemates were, maybe other factors were involved. But from the day he signed the extension, his pure production is down significantly.

FYI over the same time period, Marner and Matthews production was up since that date, Tavares points were down but his goal production went up.
 

Evilhomer

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Marner will get fully exposed these playoffs. Its the Bruins, they know how to handle him. They may even have to play him with reeves so he doesnt get scared and stay 20 ft away from everyone.
$100 says that Marner leads the Leafs in scoring in this series.
 
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I haven't seen anyone post the final numbers yet for the season, so here goes:

Before signing the extension this year:
37 games, 21 goals, 33 assists, 54 points, +5, (20:16 ice time per game)
(47 goals, 73 assists, 120 points, +11) over an 82 game pace

Since signing the extension:
45 games, 19 goals, 25 assists, 44 points, -4 (19:38 ice time per game)
(34 goal, 46 assist, 80 points, -7) over an 82 game pace

Just the raw numbers. Maybe it has to do with how productive his linemates were, maybe other factors were involved. But from the day he signed the extension, his pure production is down significantly.

FYI over the same time period, Marner and Matthews production was up since that date, Tavares points were down but his goal production went up.
Pretty sure Tre regrets handing him $92m. Should have listened to many posters on this board, instead he listened to Shanny. LOL.
 
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Notsince67

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Marner’s big problem is Game 6 and 7 production, elimination game moments.
He hasnt had a game 6 or 7 in 2 years.
2 years ago, game7, the leafs scored 1 goal and Marner had 1 point.
In game 6, he didnt score but lead all forwards including Tampa in xg%.
Leafs got 3 goals and lost in OT. Not sure why their loss is on him. There is a bit of gaslighting when assigning blame on him.
 

Menzinger

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I haven't seen anyone post the final numbers yet for the season, so here goes:

Before signing the extension this year:
37 games, 21 goals, 33 assists, 54 points, +5, (20:16 ice time per game)
(47 goals, 73 assists, 120 points, +11) over an 82 game pace

Since signing the extension:
45 games, 19 goals, 25 assists, 44 points, -4 (19:38 ice time per game)
(34 goal, 46 assist, 80 points, -7) over an 82 game pace

Just the raw numbers. Maybe it has to do with how productive his linemates were, maybe other factors were involved. But from the day he signed the extension, his pure production is down significantly.

FYI over the same time period, Marner and Matthews production was up since that date, Tavares points were down but his goal production went up.

It's worth noting The pre-post signing scoring comparable gets distorted by the final 10 games when he was definitely in a scoring slump. The 30ish games post signing his rate wasn't that below what he was scoring before.

The end season slump likely down to a few things, bad luck, bad effort some games (especially during low stakes games), finding chemistry with some line experiments.

Ovver the years his focus definitely dips when there's not a lot at stake. Usually either a mid or end of season dip when playoffs have been a lock ect.
 
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Stephen

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He hasnt had a game 6 or 7 in 2 years.
2 years ago, game7, the leafs scored 1 goal and Marner had 1 point.
In game 6, he didnt score but lead all forwards including Tampa in xg%.
Leafs got 3 goals and lost in OT. Not sure why their loss is on him. There is a bit of gaslighting when assigning blame on him.

Just post his game logs for all Game 6 and 7’s and avoid all this verbiage.
 

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