Value of: NYI 1st and Ottawa's 2nd round pick

[NHL Dude 120]

Curious to ask but as Ottawa has prospects but wants to focus on quality vs quantity vs our picks id like to ask to move up in the draft who'd be willing to accept that offer? preferably I'd like to move up to say 15-20(willing to add if necessary).

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[Djp]

NYI at 28 and OTT at 32 at best gets you to 20.

This will not get you to mid teens unless a team like Edmonton wanted to stock up on prospects.

Mid terns players usually become career nhl player ( middle 6 F, 2-3 Dman) vs tplayers drafted 27-33 have a >50% chance of never seeing the nhl beyond a few call ups

 

[SML2]

NYR pick at #22 high enough?

 

[Langdon Alger]

28 and 33 to New Jersey for 18? New Jersey has picks 7 and 20 already, so making this deal would give them 4 picks in the top 33. I have no idea if New Jersey would do this though. Just an idea.

 

[Kurrilino]

Lizotte+LA 2nd rounder

 

[Langdon Alger]

NYR pick at #22 high enough?

I’d like to think 28 and 33 could get them better than 22. In 2011, Ottawa traded the 35th and 48th picks for the 24th pick. I think Ottawa might try to package the Islanders pick (28) with a different pick to try and move up.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

28 and 33 to New Jersey for 18? New Jersey has picks 7 and 20 already, so making this deal would give them 4 picks in the top 33. I have no idea if New Jersey would do this though. Just an idea.

I think I would do 28 and 33 for 20 depending on the board

 

[Forge]

28 and 33 to New Jersey for 18? New Jersey has picks 7 and 20 already, so making this deal would give them 4 picks in the top 33. I have no idea if New Jersey would do this though. Just an idea.

Maybe pick 20. It often costs a second just to get up a four spots or so even in the early 20s. Ottawas second is early, so more valuable than most seconds that trade hands in these types of trades, but an 8 spot jump is also bigger than typical

 

[Djp]

I’d like to think 28 and 33 could get them better than 22. In 2011, Ottawa traded the 35th and 48th picks for the 24th pick. I think Ottawa might try to package the Islanders pick (28) with a different pick to try and move up.

It depends on the draft class and how players are ranked.

If there is a big talent cliff between say 18-22 and 28-34no trade can be made.

If some felt 20-35 were about equal thrn a team might be willing to trade down.

Another factor is team needs. If a team felt they need to restock D and in prospect order there were a few in the top 12 thrnnot much then a large group 25+40 a team might trade don and think thry coukd draft 2D instead on one.

New Jersey and Ottawa aren’t trading down. They have a bunch of picks and want to trade up or trade for a pick next year.

Ottawa could offer 28 and one of their late 2nds to Boston for their 1st next year.

 

[Taluss]

I’d add another 2nd round pick to that and see if oilers would be interested. Isles 1st + 2 2nds (which teams 2nds can be negotiated, I’d prefer to keep Otts obv) for pick 14

 

[Forge]

New Jersey and Ottawa aren’t trading down. They have a bunch of picks and want to trade up or trade for a pick next year.

We don't really have a bunch of picks. We don't have our second this year or next (have NYIs next), we don't have our third this year (we do have Carolina's). Given the heavy analytics bent ownership lines, I'd put the odds we trade up as almost zero. I could see us move down to get a second though, especially if we have designs in flipping a first for a roster player. But I think it's the type of thing analytics loves

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Depends if there's anyone Ottawa LOVES that drops. Ottawa will be most likely moving up in this draft.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Gets you to about 18

 

[Byron Bitz]

I’d add another 2nd round pick to that and see if oilers would be interested. Isles 1st + 2 2nds (which teams 2nds can be negotiated, I’d prefer to keep Otts obv) for pick 14

That deal might work with the Leafs for 15, They arnt exactly loaded with picks and Dubas has traded down twice before, only way he doesn’t do it is if there’s someone he really likes at 15.

 

[Brodeur]

Just some 'recent' trades to use as a barometer:

2011: Anaheim traded #22 to Toronto for #30 and #39
2009: Columbus traded #16 and #77 to NY Islanders for #26, #37, #62, #92 -- This one was peculiar in that it was done before the draft began. Columbus then scrambled to trade back up to #21.
2007: Phoenix traded #21 to Edmonton for #30 and #36

It's tough to say since it'll depend on a team's draft board. But yeah, I would expect Ottawa to be fairly active with their picks but moving up 10+ spots in the first round is usually a tough proposition. Something smaller like #33 + one of their late 2nds or early 3rds to get back in at the tail end of the first might be more likely.

 

[Altimus]

I hoping Ottawas plan is to take all forwards in the first round, and all Dmen in the second. Lets take goalies in the third.

 

[rockinghockey]

I don’t think Edmonton should move pick 14 for NYI and Ottawa’s 2nd rounder. Too many good players still available. It would take NYI and two 2nds to entice a team around EDM’s pick I would say

 

[Sweoilers]

I don’t think Edmonton should move pick 14 for NYI and Ottawa’s 2nd rounder. Too many good players still available. It would take NYI and two 2nds to entice a team around EDM’s pick I would say

Edmonton might take NYI first and Ottawa 2nd if Ottawa takes the Neal contract. If they want Russell instead I belive Ottawa would have to ad a 3rd ronder aswell

 

[TkachukNorris79]

I’d add another 2nd round pick to that and see if oilers would be interested. Isles 1st + 2 2nds (which teams 2nds can be negotiated, I’d prefer to keep Otts obv) for pick 14

or a useful player for them, like Chris Tierney. They'd value that more than a late 2nd that will take a few years to develop.

Tierney+28th+33rd for 14th.

 

[TFHockey]

or a useful player for them, like Chris Tierney. They'd value that more than a late 2nd that will take a few years to develop.

Tierney+28th+33rd for 14th.

A 3C like Tierney does not land you a 1st like 14OA even with a few 2nds.

14 OA would cost NYIs 1st, your 2nd and another pick is my guess.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

A 3C like Tierney does not land you a 1st like 14OA even with a few 2nds.

14 OA would cost NYIs 1st, your 2nd and another pick is my guess.

Did you read my post? That's literally what I traded. What I was saying I think Tierney is worth more to Edmonton than "another pick". Like he's worth more than any other pick we own once 3, 5, 28 and 33 are out of the equation.

 

[TFHockey]

Did you read my post? That's literally what I traded. What I was saying I think Tierney is worth more to Edmonton than "another pick". Like he's worth more than any other pick we own once 3, 5, 28 and 33 are out of the equation.

Yes, I did. I agree with that initial post. In regards to the last one, Tierney does not move the Oilers out of the 1st round. He isn't worth that much at all.

Holland is much more likely to trade down in this draft to get more picks, but not entirely out of the 1st round.

If the Oilers want Tierney, who is an RFA, they can get him more cheaply that that.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Yes, I did. I agree with that initial post. In regards to the last one, Tierney does not move the Oilers out of the 1st round. He isn't worth that much at all.

Holland is much more likely to trade down in this draft to get more picks, but not entirely out of the 1st round.

If the Oilers want Tierney, who is an RFA, they can get him more cheaply that that.

Am I missing something here? 28th is still in the 1st round. You drop 14 spots in the 1st but add a pick just 5 spots later as well as a legit penalty killing 3C which you haven't had in a while (he also would have finished 4th this year on the oilers in terms of points behind 97/29/93)

 

[HoseEmDown]

Why not trade it for Dumba? You could use a top 4 RD like him.

 

[TFHockey]

Am I missing something here? 28th is still in the 1st round. You drop 14 spots in the 1st but add a pick just 5 spots later as well as a legit penalty killing 3C which you haven't had in a while (he also would have finished 4th this year on the oilers in terms of points behind 97/29/93)

Sorry I misread your post. Mea cupla!

I think a better point to make on my end is that the Oilers need to move money out whenever they take a contract in. That is why a pick is more valuable than Tierney. I sort of view him as a "okay" 3C, and who is RFA and will get a raise on the just under $3 Million he was earning.

I agree with you otherwise.