Don't see how that makes points scored irrelevant. You've still yet to provide me an argument a player that has averaged 20 points/82 games in his career should be considered a top pairing dman. Or even a good/great 2nd pairing dman. Ekholm, Petry, Krug, Braun, Manson, are all examples of great 2nd pairing dmen. Darnell Nurse isn't there yet. It's about where the player would be playing under ideal circumstances.
I don't think you're even reading my posts at this point. You claimed he was nothing more than a mediocre second pairing defenseman. I pointed out that he played on the top pair last year and had a good season. Why does this need to be explained further? Points aren't everything when evaluating players, particularly defensemen and particularly players who aren't put in offensive roles. The fact is he was one of the higher scoring defensemen in hockey last season at 5-on-5 and even strength.
He is not going to put up a ton of points if he's not given opportunities to play in offensive situations like the power play. That hasn't been his game up to this point. But 26 points, all that were even strength, is good as shown by where it ranked with every other dman in the league last season.
But since you keep harping on the point argument, look at who you brought up:
Mattias Ekholm - Five years older, only twice in his career has he put up more points than Nurse just did. At 23-years-old he had 9 points in 62 games
Jeff Petry - Seven years older, only once had more than 28 points in a season and over half of them were on the PP. At 23-years-old he had 25 points
Josh Manson - You're going on about Nurse only exceeding 20 points once in his career and you bring up a player who has only also done it once? He's also three years older. When he was Nurse's age he had 3 points in 28 games.
Justin Braun - never had more than Nurse's career high until this past season. Eight years older than Nurse. Only had 9 points when he was 23-years-old before turning 24 in his rookie season.
Give me a break. Do some research before you post next time. Krug is the only one to consistently put up more points and that's because he racks up a good amount on the PP every season.
Well you brought up how since he played top pairing minutes, he must be top pairing quality. Those guys are an illustration of how that's not always the case, especially in Edmonton. There's a multitude of examples around the league of players playing out of their depth because their team lacks what would be ideal personnel. Is Ty Rattie really a 1st line winger?
I brought up that he played top pairing last season and had a good year. Ference or Schultz have absolutely nothing to do with the argument. If he played top pairing and was bad like they were, you'd have a point but you don't.
No idea what you're getting at with Rattie. He's a cheap winger playing with McDavid. Not comparable in the least to a young defenseman playing top minutes and excelling.
It's used because playing with the best player in the world elevates these players and makes them appear better than they are. See: Draisaitl and his 68 million dollar contract.
Every player in the league who plays with elite teammates sees an increase in points. Look at the with/without numbers for literally any player in the league.
What two sides? I originally stated that the DeKeyser and Skjei contracts could be used as decent comparables if Darnell were to receive a long term deal. Looks like he won't be, so I agreed with another poster 4 million would be too much on a shorter bridge deal. Really don't know where you're coming from with this playing both angles thing.
You brought up two players, who've played top pairing and make over $5M, as "decent" comparables for Nurse earlier in the thread. Now you've changed your mind and he's nothing more than a mediocre second pairing defenseman for an unexplained reason.
But I digress, that's more than enough of my time spent talking about the paragon of adequacy that is Darnell Nurse. Hope he sticks it to Chiarelli for all he's worth. Which is not really that much.
Very big of you. I'm sure we'll see you in the signing thread posting about what an overpay the contract is regardless of what he gets.
For someone who doesn't understand why people are concerned with such an average player you have managed to write up a bunch of posts in here. You're incapable of keeping an argument straight.
try sticking to arguing the content of the post rather than all the personal attacks. Just comes across petty and ignorant.
