Confirmed Signing with Link: [NSH] D Jake Livingstone signs ELC with the Predators (1 year, $2.001667M AAV - $925k salary)

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[M2Beezy]

Steal of a deal, he should fire his agent

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Preds have been notorious for their D development and I believe have a fairly open RD spot. Wonder what this means for the future of Fabbro whose rose seems to have lost some shine.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Who would be a comparable dman?

 

[ArmchairExpert]

Who would be a comparable dman?

Similar to Justin Holl

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Similar to Justin Holl

That’s his upside?

 

[613Leafer]

Good signing and worth a roll of the dice

 

[BringTheReign]

Predators continue to make smart moves to try and rebuild on the fly.

 

[Fist of Fury]

Signed with the wrong team. Bust. Case closed.

 

[ArmchairExpert]

That’s his upside?

Yah at best you have a 20-25 point defence man that play 20 mins game effectively which is a win for a college free agent.

 

[LeProspector]

That’s his upside?

What do you expect out of an undrafted player? He’s a very good defender but there is a reason the best undrafted players to ever come out of college are Cris Tanev, Tory Krug, Tyler Bozack, Nate Schmit.

Undrafted college Fa are overrated. You’re not going to get a game changer.

You could get a solid depth piece. but to expect anything more is too hopeful

 

[Unbiased Fan]

What do you expect out of an undrafted player? He’s a very good defender but there is a reason the best undrafted players to ever come out of college are Cris Tanev, Tory Krug, Tyler Bozack, Nate Schmit.

Undrafted college Fa are overrated. You’re not going to get a game changer.

You could get a solid depth piece. but to expect anything more is too hopeful

Just seen people talking very highly of him would think his upside would be closer to Tanev and not Holl.

 

[uncleben]

Steal of a deal, he should fire his agent

He was restricted to a 1 year ELC. $950k is the most he could have had in raw salary+performance bonus+signing bonus.
He actually did get a steal of a deal by getting not only getting exactly that ($830k salary, $95k signing bonus, and $25k in potential performance bonus), but he also got Nashville to burn his first (and only) year of his ELC by starting it this year, meaning he can sign a new deal immediately this offseason without the $950k upper limit (EDIT: or an optimized two-way deal, as StreetHawk pointed out)

From a contractual standpoint, the team got the opposite of a steal, giving him everything he possibly wanted and could have.

 

[Seras]

Just seen people talking very highly of him would think his upside would be closer to Tanev and not Holl.

Holl is pretty damned good, some fans are just dumb and bandwagon without watching him play

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Holl is pretty damned good, some fans are just dumb and bandwagon without watching him play

He’s okay. As a bottom pair guy he’s really good. In a top 4 spot he’s not good he’s a plug but not a great one.

 

[Super Hans]

If the Preds ever want to give up being a franchise, they could just open up a defensemen developmental school at Bridgestone. Good place for him to land.

 

[Chainshot]

Who would be a comparable dman?

I see sort of a Colin Miller type - tall but not overly physical, good offensive awareness, shoots when he has opportunities. Not perfect mind you, just sort of that sort.

 

[StreetHawk]

He was restricted to a 1 year ELC. $950k is the most he could have had in raw salary+performance bonus+signing bonus.
He actually did get a steal of a deal by getting not only getting exactly that ($830k salary, $95k signing bonus, and $25k in potential performance bonus), but he also got Nashville to burn his first (and only) year of his ELC by starting it this year, meaning he can sign a new deal immediately this offseason without the $950k upper limit

For a contractual standpoint, the team got the opposite of a steal, giving him everything he possibly wanted and could have.

Canucks did the same thing with Josh Teves. He was old enough to only have to do a 1 year ELC which he burned the season he signed. Able to parlay that into a 2 year deal at $700K per season. So, he got paid in fully in the A.

Would expect something similar for Livingstone.

 

[SI90]

Nice get for Nashville. They have some assets for their next wave

 

[Zonk]

What do you expect out of an undrafted player? He’s a very good defender but there is a reason the best undrafted players to ever come out of college are Cris Tanev, Tory Krug, Tyler Bozack, Nate Schmit.

Undrafted college Fa are overrated. You’re not going to get a game changer.

You could get a solid depth piece. but to expect anything more is too hopeful

Adam Oates, (you know the centre who had 1,420 points 1,337 games), says hi!

 

[Super Hans]

Adam Oates, (you know the centre who had 1,420 points 1,337 games), says hi!

Scouting has come a long way the last 40 years. Unsure if we'll ever see a college UDFA make the Hall of Fame again.

 

[SI90]

Are their bonuses that make the AAV so much more higher?

 

[Guardian452]

Are their bonuses that make the AAV so much more higher?

Yep. A multiplier equal to the ratio of total days in the season to remaining days to the season is applied to the bonus. That is added to the base salary to get the AAV.

 

[SI90]

Yep. A multiplier equal to the ratio of total days in the season to remaining days to the season is applied to the bonus. That is added to the base salary to get the AAV.

Does the player receive those actually dollars at all or just the salary

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Preds have been notorious for their D development and I believe have a fairly open RD spot. Wonder what this means for the future of Fabbro whose rose seems to have lost some shine.

So far Foote hasn’t looked like a keeper, Livingstone certainly has opportunity if he’s up to the task.