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Subban 97 giveaways
Josi 59 giveaways
Subban 217.1 mins shorthanded
Josi 228.1 mins shorthanded
Josi 59 giveaways
Subban 217.1 mins shorthanded
Josi 228.1 mins shorthanded
Did you make those pro rory fitzpatrick ads bashing the likes of Niklas Lidstrom? Nik was -5 that one time!Just finished watching the Preds\ Avs game 5. Im not even sure if Subban is the best defenceman on the Preds...but to be a finalist for the Norris???
This dude is horrible and if anyone watched game 5 ...it speaks for itself. Rolling around in the slot swinging his stick on the tying goal and giving up the puck and getting caught up ice for the winner. Consistently horrible.
yeah the Subban nod is a farce
truthfully, Ryan Suter was the best defenceman this year hands down
this guy never gets any credit because he hovers around 40pts a year for an unsexy Minnesota team, and his style is unsexy as well
Suter
Carlson
S. Jones
should have been ahead of Subban it's not even up for debate
but the Karlsson - Burns - Klingberg advocates would really try hard to convince you that Subban is the best D this year
Subban 97 giveaways
Josi 59 giveaways
Subban 217.1 mins shorthanded
Josi 228.1 mins shorthanded
Well it’s clearly up for debate because writers have a different opinion than yours.yeah the Subban nod is a farce
truthfully, Ryan Suter was the best defenceman this year hands down
this guy never gets any credit because he hovers around 40pts a year for an unsexy Minnesota team, and his style is unsexy as well
Suter
Carlson
S. Jones
should have been ahead of Subban it's not even up for debate
but the Karlsson - Burns - Klingberg advocates would really try hard to convince you that Subban is the best D this year
Well they got 2 of them right. One is not even the best dman on his team.
Good choices. Doughty should win but Hedman and Subban have been amazing too. Wouldnt be surprised if any of the three would win.
I think Doughty takes it, but these three guys were the logical choices in my opinion.
I never actually understood the voting process for this. So the voters have already voted and the winner is already known to the league but they won't release until June at the awards show?
Jones and Burns completely robbed of their 1 and 2 nomination.
Think Jones got snubbed, he's been insane this season.
Shame that klingberg cooled off so much. He was trending to have an amazing season.
Happy Carlson wasn't nominated.
This should be Hedman.
Hedman should win it. Subban shouldn't have been nominated. He's not even the best d-man on his own team.
How did Jones get left off?
Honestly, sometimes it feels like it is just reputation that gets you nominated. Not taking anything away from the 3 nominated, they all had really good seasons, but I honestly think that John Klingberg should have gotten serious consideration. He plays on a much worse team, than Subban or Hedman, had more points and a very respectable +10 in 24+ minutes a night, while playing in front of maybe slightly above average goaltending. Hedman and Subban both play in front of Vezina candidates so there plus minus will certainly be higher, that and the superior teams they play on.
No, just no
He may be elite offensily but he’s not on the level of the others 3 nominees defensively
I just think you should at least be the best defender on your own team if you are going to get nominated for the Norris.
He also got much softer minutes than the guys you mentioned so he needed to crush it.
But I'm also sure he got very strong consideration and likely finished at 4-5 in voting.
Subban 97 giveaways
Josi 59 giveaways
Like PK is?I just think you should at least be the best defender on your own team if you are going to get nominated for the Norris.
Every NHL defenseman is a nominee for this award. The voting is done by the Professional Hockey Writers Association at the end of the season. The voters name 5 defensemen who get 10, 7, 5, 3, 1 points. The totals are tallied and the NHL release the names of the top 3. The winner is already determined, there's no second voting process. This is not the Oscars. If you wait to see the final results of the voting after the awards, you'll see how many points it would have taken for player X to get into the top three.
Every year, there are posters confused by this, talking about snubbed players etc. The NHL is to blame for this imo, as there's really no reason to divulge the finalists other than marketing, people just get confused. Why finalists? There's not going to be a final round.
Well, snubbed as in 'ignored' doesn't really apply if player X got 1 less point than player Y in third place does it? Sorry if you understand how the voting works, but the majority of the quotes in that 'giant' post do not seem to. I posted what I did because it seems so pointless to argue a fictional scenario, with Oscar-like nominations.Did you really just write a giant post over lazy terminology? Especially quoting mine where literally all I said was snubbed. You know you can be snubbed in voting, right? The award doesn't have to be nominations for that.
Every NHL defenseman is a nominee for this award. The voting is done by the Professional Hockey Writers Association at the end of the season. The voters name 5 defensemen who get 10, 7, 5, 3, 1 points. The totals are tallied and the NHL release the names of the top 3. The winner is already determined, there's no second voting process. This is not the Oscars. If you wait to see the final results of the voting after the awards, you'll see how many points it would have taken for player X to get into the top three.
Every year, there are posters confused by this, talking about snubbed players etc. The NHL is to blame for this imo, as there's really no reason to divulge the finalists other than marketing, people just get confused. Why finalists? There's not going to be a final round.
Again, I just collected quotes that seemed to align with the misconception of finalists/nominees. Asking how a player got 'left out' kind of looks like it. Regarding Beauchemin, if one voter out of 150 decides to give their pity point to a guy like Beauchemin it's not the end of the world.This might come as a shock, but not agreeing with the results doesn't mean you don't understand how it works. I'm not "confused".... I'm well aware of how the voting works. I also happen to think that a large portion of the PHWA are dumbasses who don't watch a lot of games outside their market and vote primarily based on reputation and name recognition, hence my comment.
Exhibit A: 2016 voting where somehow both Seabrook and Beauchemin get top 20 votes:
2015-16 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com
Well, snubbed as in 'ignored' doesn't really apply if player X got 1 less point than player Y in third place does it? Sorry if you understand how the voting works, but the majority of the quotes in that 'giant' post do not seem to. I posted what I did because it seems so pointless to argue a fictional scenario, with Oscar-like nominations.
5 lines of text - giant post? Really?
Ok, I still think he got top 5 votes, which is fine imo and I don't regard being top 5 in voting among what? ~250 defensemen as being snubbed really, but that's just different interpretations of the word. Sorry for the wall of quotes, but my intent was for all those people to read the post in case they didn't know how the voting is done.Snubbed applies just fine if Jones was one of the top two d in the league this year, as is my opinion.
On mobile, your post is a giant wall of text.
Yes but the poster doesnt vote on the awards, biased NA:s do.
What's so great about Subban? Did you see the bonehead play he made on the game winner last night? Plays like that are quite common for him. He is a good defence man but he makes a lot of mental mistakes.Have you graduated from the Marc Bergevin school of hockey management?
If Hedman doesnt win it this year, he should be putting up career numbers next year with McDonagh taking some of the load off of his shoulders defensively. Amazing how they choose the most productive D but not the best all around D. Hedman would have won last year if this was how they did it. He might not win it this year because of that very same reason. I agree with others that say they should make the Orr trophy for best D.
And Nick Lidstrom is glad they do, especially for the one he did not deserve to win.
What? Hedman has the most points out of the finalists. If anything the points argument will benefit him this year
Well that sort of ignores the fact he was the best D-man in the league from 95 onward and was robbed of a bunch of Norris Trophies while "earning" his place to win them.
I think Seth Jones deserved to be a finalist, because well I think he should be winning the award this year so I am surprised by his omission.
Does he? I thought Subban maybe outproduced him. Well then he should win.
Hedman with 3 over doughty, 4 over subban. None of them top 3 in d scoring this year. I think doughty will get it, but my top 3 has been pretty closely doughty, Hedman, Jones. Don't think subban deserves it but would be fine with the others.