Proposal: No blockbuster : MTL-VAN // MTL-VEGAS

Cogburn

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As a Canucks fan, work harder.

Virtanen makes no sense to trade, he's at an all time low valuewise.

We traded a higher pick for Granlund 2 seasons ago, and since, he was a few missed games off of being a 20 goal scorer this year for us.

Where is the benefit for the Canucks here? Davidson? Someone that was sent as a contract dump for a salary dump in Desharnais?

Brutal. Just brutal.
 

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That Canucks deal looks brutal from an outside perspective. He may not have developed as quick as some of his draft-mates, but i'mhard pressed to believe Canucks are ready to give up on him.
 

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No on the second one for sure, makes no sense for the Habs to lose McCarron (plus Plek and a pick) for a 29 year old Perron who has reached his peak.
 

JumpierPegasus

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Virtanen isn't worth giving up on for so little assets. He isn't anchored by a big contract, and at this point it makes more sense to hope he "figures it out" rather than trade him away because we won't get anything of value in return
 

pezcore

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terrible for the Canucks and wouldnt do the Vegas one. We would be losing to centers for LW who`s passed his prime. As sad as it is, we cant spare Plekanec.
 

VoluntaryDom

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How is Virtanen the main piece in the Vancouver deal?

Talk about living off of draft status...
 

pezcore

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its giving him up for perron, AND for them picking up Pleky's contract, i think

possibly but there's only 1 year left on his contract and we have 9M of cap space as of today. Dont see the need to get rid of his contract, especially since we are weak down the middle
 

Cogburn

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Well, here's a more constructive reply.

What would Montreal give up for Sutter?

You guys admittedly need center depth, and he could likely be had super cheap since we added Gagner.

I'm not trying to snakeoil salesman this up either, no return of not grossly negative and/or toxic contract refused.
 

LickTheEnvelope

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Meh to the Canucks deal.

Brandon Davidson wouldn't fit anywhere and even though I think Virtanen will bust there's little point in shuffling him off with Grandlund for a 2nd.
 

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Not going to lie, what exactly is your reasoning for the Vancouver trade? Granlund is 24, they just traded Shinkaruk to get him, and he just put up 32 points in 69 games on a Nucks team that couldn't find its own ass half the time. They are extremely limited in most offensive prospects, so you offer a C defensive prospect instead? And you want them to give up the chance Virtanen could develop as well?
 

HabsTown

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Not going to lie, what exactly is your reasoning for the Vancouver trade? Granlund is 24, they just traded Shinkaruk to get him, and he just put up 32 points in 69 games on a Nucks team that couldn't find its own ass half the time. They are extremely limited in most offensive prospects, so you offer a C defensive prospect instead? And you want them to give up the chance Virtanen could develop as well?

Reasoning was Nucks won't be competitive for a while. *I know Grandlund plays wing too* their C's are Sedin-Horvat-Sutter. Might as well grab a 2nd in a good draft for a *supposed to be* rebuilding team.

Davidson for Virtanen is basically Benning giving up on Virtanen. At least, Davidson can play in their lineup, is still youngish and D-depth isn't a bad thing during a season.

I totally agree it might be a stretch but other than being a high draft pick, he isn't worth much. I get that Nucks might aswell keep him but if Benning doesn't have faith in him being an NHL'er, might as well grab an NHL body for him.
 

Cogburn

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Reasoning was Nucks won't be competitive for a while. *I know Grandlund plays wing too* their C's are Sedin-Horvat-Sutter. Might as well grab a 2nd in a good draft for a *supposed to be* rebuilding team.

Davidson for Virtanen is basically Benning giving up on Virtanen. At least, Davidson can play in their lineup, is still youngish and D-depth isn't a bad thing during a season.

I totally agree it might be a stretch but other than being a high draft pick, he isn't worth much. I get that Nucks might aswell keep him but if Benning doesn't have faith in him being an NHL'er, might as well grab an NHL body for him.

So your explanation and rationalization is that we should cast off any young players that even have a remote hope of being an nhler because....were rebuilding?
 

Tryamkin

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Vancouver deal is awful, wouldn't do Granlund or Virtanen separate for 2nd + Davidson.

Pointless for Montreal to give up McCarron for a winger who's already reached his peak.
 

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It would make sense if Granlund was like 36 to offload him for a 2nd. Currently he's 24, and a cost controlled RFA. They need more players in his mold and less 2nd rounders from playoff teams.
 

HabsTown

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So your explanation and rationalization is that we should cast off any young players that even have a remote hope of being an nhler because....you hope the ''new'' asset will do better than the one you currently have because you lost all faith on him being an NHL'er?[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for you.
 

Sam Pollock

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Reasoning was Nucks won't be competitive for a while. *I know Grandlund plays wing too* their C's are Sedin-Horvat-Sutter. Might as well grab a 2nd in a good draft for a *supposed to be* rebuilding team.

Davidson for Virtanen is basically Benning giving up on Virtanen. At least, Davidson can play in their lineup, is still youngish and D-depth isn't a bad thing during a season.

I totally agree it might be a stretch but other than being a high draft pick, he isn't worth much. I get that Nucks might aswell keep him but if Benning doesn't have faith in him being an NHL'er, might as well grab an NHL body for him.

Wouldn't a rebuilding team want to keep a core of young players on their team? I don't think anyone would want to go through a 10 year rebuild like Edmonton did. :amazed: Grandlund really is one of their better players. As for Sedin, he's pretty much gone after this season. If you want a center from Vancouver, go for Sutter.
 

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