Proposal: NJD #2 for Bert

[Shultzyfeelinirie25]

Would you make the trade I'm not sure if values are equal but I figured we could draft slafovsky as Bert replacement? Thoughts

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[Oddbob]

Bert should not be traded for futures! We trade him for futures, the rebuild gets set back, not sped up. Look at the majority of the top picks in recent years, almost all of them take 2-4 years to get good, let alone being as good as Bert already is. Of course we could get lucky and that 2 is awesome right away, but I think it is a bad plan for where we are in the rebuild.

Also, no team is giving up 2 for only Bert, as they are hoping to get that draft luck in getting someone better, and that is more value than Bert has.

 

[redwings8831]

I would 100% do it but the Devils never would.

 

[ThankGord]

I don’t think NJ goes for it but it would give us an opportunity to take Cooley (or Wright if Montreal goes with Slaf). I only do it if we’re going after a true Center.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Bert should not be traded for futures! We trade him for futures, the rebuild gets set back, not sped up. Look at the majority of the top picks in recent years, almost all of them take 2-4 years to get good, let alone being as good as Bert already is. Of course we could get lucky and that 2 is awesome right away, but I think it is a bad plan for where we are in the rebuild.

Also, no team is giving up 2 for only Bert, as they are hoping to get that draft luck in getting someone better, and that is more value than Bert has.

Slafkovsky looks like he could play in the NHL tomorrow, imo. You probably have some growing pains because he's younger and still developing, but he played in Liiga last year against men, he scored 7 goals in 7 games at the Olympics, he was over a point per game in the World Championships. His track record internationally against men is actually quite impressive.

It may set the rebuild back a year, but it extends your competitive window by multiple years and you'd think that you're getting a guy who eventually would be an upgrade on Bertuzzi after a couple of years.

To simplify, yes I do it. New Jersey doesn't do it.

You're probably tying #8 overall to Bertuzzi to even get New Jersey to entertain the offer. And even then, probably not quite enough to tip the scales.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I think the more realistic scenario, is there a guy you like so much at #2 that you’d put together a package around #8 and Bertuzzi to move up and snag him?

For me the answer is no, but if for example Yzerman felt strongly that Logan Cooley fills a big hole in our center problem then I wouldn’t lose sleep.

 

[Shaman464]

Bert should not be traded for futures! We trade him for futures, the rebuild gets set back, not sped up. Look at the majority of the top picks in recent years, almost all of them take 2-4 years to get good, let alone being as good as Bert already is. Of course we could get lucky and that 2 is awesome right away, but I think it is a bad plan for where we are in the rebuild.

Also, no team is giving up 2 for only Bert, as they are hoping to get that draft luck in getting someone better, and that is more value than Bert has.

Where they are in the rebuild is they are still in the middle of it. Bert has a bad back, a me first attitude, and is aging. If they can get a top guy in return for him I say take it and run.

 

[Retire91]

Bertuzzi for number 2 is worth considering. We need the top 3 talent that the league rules prevented us from getting. Bertuzzi would be an important vet during our window years but I like the longer term of a top 3. Let's be real this team is still several years away from being legit, this would be prime time to land a second overall talent.

If its Bert and #8 forget it, hard pass.

 

[Henkka]

Slafkovsky - Rasmussen - Söderblom would be fun line to have.

 

[Shultzyfeelinirie25]

My thinking is slaf is close to NHL ready. He's a left wing with size that can be more cost controlled on an ELC fits our age group of youngsters and I feel like could bring the element of Bert.

 

[Bench]

Gave me some minor palpitations reading the title so I added the proposal title for ya.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yes

 

[SoupNazi]

I'd do it. The Devils wouldn't.

 

[SCD]

I'll do the packing if you are willing to pick him up.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I’d have him on the first plane to Newark if NJ offered that

 

[RedWingzz]

There is no way in hell the Devils would do this...

 

[Shultzyfeelinirie25]

There is no way in hell the Devils would do this...

What else would we add you think?

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

What else would we add you think?

Our first (#8) for sure. Then we probably add some sort of sweetener, idk maybe something like Sebrango.

 

[RRhoads]

I would do it, but I would use the pick to draft Cooley, not Slafkovsky.

 

[SirloinUB]

a me first attitude, and is aging.

LMAO Wut?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Detroit got NJ 2nd overall pick, And we drafted either Slafkovsky or Logan Cooley, I can guarantee you 100% that both are in the lineup next fall

 

[Gniwder]

I’d have him on the first plane to Newark if NJ offered that

And I'd stab him with the vaccine as a going away present.

0% chance NJ would do this trade.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I'd consider doing this for pretty much any pick up to #15.

 

[MBH]

Would you make the trade I'm not sure if values are equal but I figured we could draft slafovsky as Bert replacement? Thoughts

Generally not wanting to trade Bertuzzi, but for #2 overall? Yeah, I would.
Jersey would want more.

 

[haulinbass]

I think the more realistic scenario, is there a guy you like so much at #2 that you’d put together a package around #8 and Bertuzzi to move up and snag him?

For me the answer is no, but if for example Yzerman felt strongly that Logan Cooley fills a big hole in our center problem then I wouldn’t lose sleep.

I think a trade around #8 and Bert would definitely be realistic. Bert is exactly the type of player they could obviously use.

The only way I would be willing to move 8 + Bert is for a C. Cooley hasn't been on my watch list so I haven't targeted him enough to be fully comfortable making my judgement. But from what I have seen I do believe he will be an undersized guy that could make it in the NHL as a center. There is certainly a lot to like about him.

If Yzerman deemed Cooley as a guy he is confident in taking 2C duty. I would be behind that move. The only hesitance I would have is about Guathier and if he ended up available at 8. I do like Kasper, and would be happy to take him at 8 but certainly have my concerns with his upside as well.

I do really like Bertuzzi and if Detroit was further along in this rebuild, he would be a player you definitely don't let go. But realistically, this team is a few years from any real cup runs. Even if we start making the playoffs very soon, there is still going to be some growth needed before we are a real threat. Bertuzzi just doesn't align with that window very well. I say that and I have a lot of respect for what Bert brings and he's one of my favorite players.