Bryanbryoil
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- Sep 13, 2004
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As of this point IMO he isn't better than Lagesson or Russell. He really needs to up his game or his spot in the top 6 shouldn't be written in ink.
Lets not lose sight that Klefa was a complete and utter disaster in that series, he was just terrible every game.
I thought it was pretty clear Klefbom's shoulder problems were limiting him.
If we play a heavier team (or a team that plays a heavier game) ala Montreal, I think I'd rather Kulikov in the line up over KRussell
If he was that hurt, stay out of the lineup. Because his "bad shoulder" didn't cause in repeated terrible pinches.I thought it was pretty clear Klefbom's shoulder problems were limiting him.
If we play a heavier team (or a team that plays a heavier game) ala Montreal, I think I'd rather Kulikov in the line up over KRussell
I know it's a small sample but does he make anyone else nervous on D when he plays the puck? I've recounted 2 giveaways that led to GAs, the first on his weak pass attempt to Nurse on the corner board (Calgary or Winnipeg game) and last night's giveaway for the 2nd goal which was Rathbone's 1st career goal.
He needs to get that out of his game before the playoffs cause I'm not a fan of his game at the moment. These plays are self inflicted and it's not something that should happen as a 12 year vet with 722 games under his belt.
I like his ability to be physical and he's pretty good at stopping the cycle. He just seems not very good with the puck from my perspective.
I don't see that at all tbh. I see a player who loses focus and needs to be more deliberate in his simple plays. I'd say he makes mentally lazy mistakes.It’s like he’s trying to do too much instead of just playing his simple game.
Lets not lose fact that the Oilers, like the Pens, were also statistically very unlucky. Team defense and bad bounces sunk them more than any one player. McDavid and Draisaitl made their own fair share of defensive errors themselves. The Oilers were/are a young team that had a single preseason game to get ready. I'm not saying it was all due to bad luck that they lost as many players underachieved and some tough lessons were learned but it was 4 games after months off, shit happens.Lets not lose sight that Klefa was a complete and utter disaster in that series, he was just terrible every game.
Outplaying Russell\Kulikov doesnt make you a #4/#5.I think this really cements the idea that Lagesson is someone we shouldn't lose. IMO he's outplayed Russell and Kulikov. He'll be a great #4/5 shutdown dman.
Edit : Give him a couple more games IMO.I have an honest question.
How many saw the trade, hopefully for a third round pick and thought:
"Holland must know what he is doing to grab this guy for a third rounder going into the playoffs".
Or "Who?"
Or "I heard he is having a great year on the devils, is a great shutdown defender, and I'm pumped we got him. ".
I was in column #2 and while I knew the name I had no strong positive or negative position. After doing my research this seemed like a poor move and a little pricey for a third. This was a guy I wasn't even sure was better than Jones and I'm not a big Jones fan.
He seems like a waste of an asset to me. Jones and Laggesson both have struggled at times and having insurance is nice but imo not at the expense of a potential 3rd round pick.
If what we see is what we get I certainly think we paid too much for him and am honestly questioning our pro evaluation abilities.
I knew Green was a pile of garbage and I was so happy he didn't end up costing us more. I like what I've seen of Kulikov far more than I did of Green but the fact remains both look like wasted assets.
Edit: if Kulikov pulls some of the stuff he has so far in the playoffs that would really really hurt.
I have an honest question.
How many saw the trade, hopefully for a third round pick and thought:
"Holland must know what he is doing to grab this guy for a third rounder going into the playoffs".
Or "Who?"
Or "I heard he is having a great year on the devils, is a great shutdown defender, and I'm pumped we got him. ".
I was in column #2 and while I knew the name I had no strong positive or negative position. After doing my research this seemed like a poor move and a little pricey for a third. This was a guy I wasn't even sure was better than Jones and I'm not a big Jones fan.
He seems like a waste of an asset to me. Jones and Laggesson both have struggled at times and having insurance is nice but imo not at the expense of a potential 3rd round pick.
If what we see is what we get I certainly think we paid too much for him and am honestly questioning our products evaluation abilities.
I knew Green was a pile of garbage and I was so happy he didn't end up costing us more. I like what I've seen of Kulikov far more than I did of Green but the fact remains both look like wasted assets.
I might be in the minority here, but out of Russell/Lagesson/Kulikov/Koekkokek/Jones I actually prefer Jones.
I have an honest question.
How many saw the trade, hopefully for a third round pick and thought:
"Holland must know what he is doing to grab this guy for a third rounder going into the playoffs".
Or "Who?"
Or "I heard he is having a great year on the devils, is a great shutdown defender, and I'm pumped we got him. ".
I was in column #2 and while I knew the name I had no strong positive or negative position. After doing my research this seemed like a poor move and a little pricey for a third. This was a guy I wasn't even sure was better than Jones and I'm not a big Jones fan.
He seems like a waste of an asset to me. Jones and Laggesson both have struggled at times and having insurance is nice but imo not at the expense of a potential 3rd round pick.
If what we see is what we get I certainly think we paid too much for him and am honestly questioning our pro evaluation abilities.
I knew Green was a pile of garbage and I was so happy he didn't end up costing us more. I like what I've seen of Kulikov far more than I did of Green but the fact remains both look like wasted assets.
Edit: if Kulikov pulls some of the stuff he has so far in the playoffs that would really really hurt.
Kulikov will play quite a bit in the playoffs IMO. Curious though did Kulikov do these horrible giveaways a lot in NJ?If we end up getting to the 2nd round but Kulikov plays no big role or worse is sitting watching as Tippett goes with Lagesson and we throw away another 3rd round pick ... that's going to start to piss me off.
That's a lot of picks starting to be thrown away.
I think this really cements the idea that Lagesson is someone we shouldn't lose. IMO he's outplayed Russell and Kulikov. He'll be a great #4/5 shutdown dman.
Outplaying Russell\Kulikov doesnt make you a #4/#5.
Lagesson is a good #6/#7 especially when paired with Larsson.
Jones, Russell, Kulikov are worse than him. If Klefbom doesnt return, Holland will need to go out and acquired a 2nd pairing LHD more than a goalie or winger.
Where is the misinterpretation? Lagesson will only be a good top 4 Dman in AHL, not NHL.Read both bolded parts and see where you misinterpreted what I said.
Honest question.
Who the f*** cares about a 3rd round pick in a trash draft?
We have plenty of prospects and we don't need another prospect that will pan out in 3 or 4 years if at all.
We're in win now mode.