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Omar Little

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Two things can be true at the same time. We have bad goaltending but we are also not playing structured defensively. Honestly I think the pro-offense strategy has been intentional to allow our young forwards to develop and gain creativity and confidence. Next year though, if we’re serious about winning and not just patting ourselves on the back because a few forwards are having nice years, we’re going to need everyone to play with more commitment defensively.
 

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Two things can be true at the same time. We have bad goaltending but we are also not playing structured defensively. Honestly I think the pro-offense strategy has been intentional to allow our young forwards to develop and gain creativity and confidence. Next year though, if we’re serious about winning and not just patting ourselves on the back because a few forwards are having nice years, we’re going to need everyone to play with more commitment defensively.

Agreed. I think part of the calculation in bringing in Ruff was to do just that, and he is definitely not the coach to instill a defensive structure next year either.
 
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Two things can be true at the same time. We have bad goaltending but we are also not playing structured defensively. Honestly I think the pro-offense strategy has been intentional to allow our young forwards to develop and gain creativity and confidence. Next year though, if we’re serious about winning and not just patting ourselves on the back because a few forwards are having nice years, we’re going to need everyone to play with more commitment defensively.
Yes, some people might think that because Ruff is old that he’s old school but this is a possession go!go!go! defense.

The mistakes in the first come in part from having both defensemen go and dig out pucks and kick it up to a cheating forward who is off to the races as quickly as possible.

In best case scenarios you give your fast young forwards an advantage on the rush. In worst case scenarios, you lose possession with the middle of the ice open and players unsure at times of where they’re supposed to be. They aren’t covering people as much as passing lanes, which is harder and why I’m skeptical that this would actually work in the playoffs even if we (particularly Smith) got better at it.

“It’s great when we have possession” isn’t my favorite plan for own end.
 
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I’ve never understood skating hard or back at all when there’s an odd man rush against you and then just becoming a passenger on the play even though you’ve gotten back with plenty of time. Zacha should’ve just trucked Carpenter whither he got a shot off or not the play would’ve been completely legal. Reminds me of the 1st game of the season and Kane floating near the side of his own net just to watch Hughes pull off his OT heroics. Very frustrating.
 
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Yes, some people might think that because Ruff is old that he’s old school but this is a possession go!go!go! defense.

The mistakes in the first come in part from having both defensemen go and dig out pucks and kick it up to a cheating forward who is off to the races as quickly as possible.

In best case scenarios you give your fast young forwards an advantage on the rush. In worst case scenarios, you lose possession with the middle of the ice open and players unsure at times of where they’re supposed to be. They aren’t covering people as much as passing lanes, which is harder and why I’m skeptical that this would actually work in the playoffs even if we (particularly Smith) got better at it.

“It’s great when we have possession” isn’t my favorite plan for own end.

Yea the flying the zone is a big problem. We don’t have a lot of player “under the puck” when we break out and so when we do turn it over it usually results in other teams cashing in
 

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If Ruff comes back next year it's BECAUSE the goaltending was bad. Cory's decline (and then his smoke and mirrors market correction hot streak in the 2019 calendar part of that year) and having to use frickin Keith Kinkaid 40 games a year for two seasons in a row might have given Hynes more time here. It probably kept him here at least one more month longer than it otherwise would have and it might have even given him a stay of execution to come back to even start the 19-20 season.
 

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So basically the people that want us to tighten up are proposing something like the no-event system that Hynes dialed us back to playing every time the goalies were giving up too much and, thus also stifling our own offense in the process? Even if nobody is saying we play that time of way, that's gonna wind up being what happens.

If we do that, we'll score less goals. Gillies and whatever bum or injured guy that gets thrown in there will no doubt allow fewer goals (because we won't be allowing 35 shots in as many games), but they're still gonna suck and they're still gonna be allowing too many goals for the number of shots they face. I don't think facing only 25-30 shots a night is gonna make Gillies start to play at a .910% or even a .900% clip, at least not for very long.

The guy still seems good for about 3 goals against in a lot of the games where we don't allow 30 shots.

I feel like Ruff already had us playing something like that for about a 5 game stretch in December when Blackwood was really falling apart. There were a couple games there where shots were like 24-20 or something and we lost in the shootout in at least one of them. I think that shutout Blackwood had against the Flyers was in that stretch too, which was a very low-event, low-shot, low-scoring chance game. And we struggled to score more than 2 goals during that stretch.
 
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I can't get over how much last night was peak Severson...the stretch pass goal to Bratt which makes you go ga-ga, then the 'coverage' turning another two-on-one into a breakaway making you gag.
Vintage Damon indeed. Including the body language after the goal. The bemused sort of bent over from the accident periphery while scratching at the ice with his stick like clearing snow. Thought bubble: “Gee whiz didn’t see that coming.”
 
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I can't get over how much last night was peak Severson...the stretch pass goal to Bratt which makes you go ga-ga, then the 'coverage' turning another two-on-one into a breakaway making you gag.

I don't think Severson's coverage on that goal was bad, I know Daneyko said he wished Severson could've gotten involved but Dach made a great play. By no means was that turned into a breakaway, Dach made a cut to the middle. Dach really used his size all over that play.
 

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I was 50/50 that Gilles was getting waived today, but I also saw Utica plays tonight and figured maybe they'd let that game happen before calling up Schmid. They play tomorrow too and we don't play till Monday.

I really don't want Schmid up here again. I absolutely don't want him in a game in the NHL, but I could see a scenario where they waive Gilles, call up Schmid to back up Daws and try to figure out some other option in the next week or so.

But that's only if that tweet about Tom Fitzgerald aggressively searching for a goalie for the remainder of the year is actually legit. I thought it was LeBrun, but maybe it wasn't him. I forget.
 

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I don't think Severson's coverage on that goal was bad, I know Daneyko said he wished Severson could've gotten involved but Dach made a great play. By no means was that turned into a breakaway, Dach made a cut to the middle. Dach really used his size all over that play.

Agreed. The unlucky own goal was much more of a Severson thing too
 
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I don't think Severson's coverage on that goal was bad, I know Daneyko said he wished Severson could've gotten involved but Dach made a great play. By no means was that turned into a breakaway, Dach made a cut to the middle. Dach really used his size all over that play.
Would have agreed if Sevs hadn’t turned his back on the play and guarded the pass option like an NBA player hand checking a guard on the perimeter. Look at how far and how late Damon comes after the goal to survey the wreckage. Listening to the radio feed Chico and Matt were also quite critical. But who knows you can be just as right as me. Not wedded to any opinions here.
 

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Would have agreed if Sevs hadn’t turned his back on the play and guarded the pass option like an NBA player hand checking a guard on the perimeter. Look at how far and how late Damon comes after the goal to survey the wreckage. Listening to the radio feed Chico and Matt were also quite critical. But who knows you can be just as right as me. Not wedded to any opinions here.

I mean it was at least better than the Toronto one where he tried to take the pass and was blocking the wrong side lol
 

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IMO. One good goalie. One good top 6 winger and a top pair LD and we’re easily a playoff team.
The hope is that L.Hughes can be that top pairing LD. Holtz or someone else could be the top 6 winger or we could acquire someone. Better goaltending could come from within or we may have to make a deal or sign one.
that's the patient approach. takes like three years.

problem is the tomorrow-we-have-to-win-the-sc fraction doesn't have the patience for this b******t. the young player, who has a gaf in a game, gets immediately traded for a washed up veteran.

somehow winning a championship is super easy, as the other 31 teams will just roll over, if we would just trying.
 
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Or they don't score five goals. Let's face it they're playing a system to score goals. So fine, it's not going to be especially goalie friendly and even less so when they make more dumb decisions like last night. Nobody's asking for Shesterkin but even just average goaltending would make a difference. Like I said, one more save last night and it's 5-5 going to OT instead of 8-5 after two empty-netters when we're cursing out yet another lost two points because of trash goaltending. I don't necessarily believe the -3 goals below expected stats posted last night (or rather think it's exaggerated by a goal or two) but that's at least one metric showing how bad the goalies have been. We had average to slightly below average numbers from Blackwood and Bernier and were around .500, so yes there are other issues with the team but I'd like to start seeing SOME wins and not just have the same old results.

And yes last night the defense was laughably bad, but I'll give them one - they really haven't been anywhere near that bad on a consistent basis this year, unlike the goaltending.

How do you know the fifth goal is scored if it's not already 6-4?

This is hypothetical fairy land.
 

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How do you know the fifth goal is scored if it's not already 6-4?

This is hypothetical fairy land.
Why is it so out of the question to say we would have scored that goal if it were 5-4 and not 6-4?

We came back from a two goal deficit earlier in the game than that. So why assume we couldn't have scored that goal if we down by just one and not two?

Gillies KILLED us with that sixth goal. That was just pathetic. I can't nail him for that breakaway, but he just threw in the towel on goal 6.

These are the games where this SHITTY goaltending KILLS you. It's these close games, especially ones where we had 5 goals ourselves. Or even the Tampa game where it was tied, before Gillies proceeds to complete the natural soft goal hat trick in a matter of 3 minutes and 4 seconds in the 3rd period after the game being tied.

It's not the games like that one where the Leafs blew us out 7-1 or whatever it was. Was it 7-1? Or 6-1? I don't remember anymore. My point is that the poor goaltending HURTS you in the close games. Not the blowout, one sided losses.

And this was NOT a blowout or one sided loss.
 

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Disagree.

I don't see him giving up 6 f'n goals like that piece of garbage Gillies. :rant:

Daws played the night before and faced 38 shots. Gillies faced 35 last night.

Daws may have youthful physical energy, but mental fatigue hit the rest of the team and I doubt Daws would have been spared.

Again this is all woulda coulda shoulda hypothetical.
 

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Gillies sucks. He is indefensible.. But he isn't alone out there. The decisions being made on the ice are not conducive to winning, and that includes not deflecting shots when you are a Dman, not pinching in a tie game on the road late in the third, not taking penalties (or having to take penalties because of shorthanded breakaways) and not giving the puck away at the bluelines. It also means having a full top 6 and not a top4, and playing athird line that has any upside. Hughes, Mercer and Nico will learn. Sevs and Zacha won't.

This team is still alot more than one goalie away.


It is hard to understand why Devils fans can't see that "THIS TEAM IS STILL ALOT MORE THAN ONE GOALIE AWAY"

I think most fans have different value for what is good.

This is a terrible NHL hockey team, has been for 10 years and will not improve to a playoff competitive team next season regardless of what Fritz does in this offseason.
 

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I'm okay with letting Daws sit on that game for a night, but if he plays well Monday then f*** Gillies, play Daws again Tuesday.

He's had TWO good games this year in 4 starts. Really, only the Ottawa game where he was overplaying everything was a BAD game from him He didn't really have a chance on most of the goals in the Calgary game, other than weak Lucic 5-hole breakaway goal.

Schmid is the one that was really getting killed out there and I think we've seen enough of him in NHL action for the year, but Daws has certainly earned another game.
 
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Huh? What in the world are you talking about? Can you read?
I literally said “we’re missing a few pieces”
A few=3
I mentioned 3
A good goalie
Top pair defensemen (hopefully Hughes)
And
Top 6 winger

Although the goalie certainly looks like the biggest one right now and could put us on the bubble of a playoff spot.

Yeah, I was confused myself. ONE, 1, Uno, goalie will not make this present team with present coaches a playoff competitive team. Just not happening. As Devils fans we will not find out.
 

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Why is it so out of the question to say we would have scored that goal if it were 5-4 and not 6-4?

We came back from a two goal deficit earlier in the game than that. So why assume we couldn't have scored that goal if we down by just one and not two?

Why is it so out of the question to say Chicago doesn't let up as much with a one goal lead vs. a two goal lead?

Again this is hypothetical bs. It will just go round and round.

What if, what if, what if?

What if didn't happen.
 

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I'm okay with letting Daws sit on that game for a night, but if he plays well Monday then f*** Gillies, play Daws again Tuesday.

He's had TWO good games this year in 4 starts. Really, only the Ottawa game where he was overplaying everything was a BAD game from him He didn't really have a chance on most of the goals in the Calgary game, other than weak Lucic 5-hole breakaway goal.

Schmid is the one that was really getting killed out there and I think we've seen enough of him in NHL action for the year, but Daws has certainly earned another game.

Agreed.

From all the action we've seen from our Young unproven goaltenders, Daws seems to be showing us SOMETHING to deserve another look.
 
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Why is it so out of the question to say Chicago doesn't let up as much with a one goal lead vs. a two goal lead?

Again this is hypothetical bs. It will just go round and round.

What if, what if, what if?

What if didn't happen.
I can't see a reason for any of these arguments other than to try and rationalize that career minor BUM goalie Jon Gillies is really not as bad as we think he is?
 
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