Niedermayer & Hedman: Who would you rate higher on the all time list?

[FrankSidebottom]

Two mobile two-way defensemen with great skating and puck moving ability who won multiple cups. Who would you rate higher and why?

Niedermayer
Norris: 1-2-2-5-9-10
Hart: 7-8-9
RS: 1263GP-740P, +167
PO: 202GP-98P, +20
4 cups, Conn Smythe

Hedman:
Norris: 1-3-3-3-3-3-7-9
RS: 915GP-613P, +148
PO: 155GP-107P, +21
2 cups, Conn Smythe

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[banks]

Might be Hedman eventually. But I can't say it's a foregone conclusion.

Neidermayer was amazing.

 

[centipede2233]

I went with hedman. Better plus minus seasons (yes he plays on a great team but nieds did to and with Scott stevens and Chris Pronger). Hedman has a fairly big edge on playoff ppg as well. Hedman also has the physicali5y edge to.

 

[EXTRAS]

Hedman has lost his spot on pp1 for now so let's see what happens to his production moving forward

 

[hamzarocks]

Hedman has passed the Nieds, Keith, Chara tier

 

[amnesiac]

Hedman, better peak and prime

Nieds better career for now


when its all said and done

Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Pronger
MacInnis
Hedman
Stevens
Leetch
Nieds
Keith
Chara
EK
Doughty
Blake
Letang
Weber

 

[FrankSidebottom]

Hedman, better peak and prime

Nieds better career for now


when its all said and done

Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Pronger
MacInnis
Hedman
Stevens
Leetch
Nieds
Keith
Chara
EK
Doughty
Blake
Letang
Weber

It looks a bit inconsistent. You have Leetch below Stevens, but Coffey above Pronger. Why?

 

[centipede2233]

It looks a bit inconsistent. You have Leetch below Stevens, but Coffey above Pronger. Why?

Yeah I agree, Pronger should be above coffey and leetch should be next to chelios. Just shows you how underrated leetch is on this board.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

LOL the voting....
Hedman is good, obviously, but c'mon here, Scotty is one of the best ever dmen, period. Hedmam is not.

 

[amnesiac]

It looks a bit inconsistent. You have Leetch below Stevens, but Coffey above Pronger. Why?

Well Coffey had a better career than Leetch, lets not make that mistake here..... Cups are the main factor

Coffey 4 Cups, 3 Norrises (11x top 5 finishes for Norris)..... his peak and prime in the 80s is very hard to match. Great numbers from 1981-96. Arguably the 2nd biggest piece of the greatest dynasty in hockey history. Obviously lacked defense, but the 80s didnt demand it.

Pronger 1 Cup, 1 Hart, 1 Norris (7x top 5 finishes for Norris, injuries took at least one more Norris away)..... Best peak of the 4 imo. Carried 3 teams to the SCF, coulda/shoulda won 3 Conn Smythes. All around Dman, playoff warrior, and physical beast throughout his career.

Stevens 3 Cups 1635GP, 1 CS ( 10x top 6 finishes for Norris)..... Possibly most consistent career of the 4. Devils needed him to win. Playoff warrior and physical beast throughout his career, even put up great numbers in the 80s.

Leetch 1 Cup, 2 Norris, 1 CS (7x top 5 finishes for Norris).... great peak and prime from 88-97, but trailed off in the late 90s/2000s except for a few seasons.

 

[Ben White]

Hedman, better peak and prime

Nieds better career for now


when its all said and done

Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Pronger
MacInnis
Hedman
Stevens
Leetch
Nieds
Keith
Chara
EK
Doughty
Blake
Letang
Weber

Nice list, if EK wins the Norris this season however I’d have him behind pronger but over MacInnis

 

[BraveCanadian]

I think Hedman.. he's been at the top longer and is clearly the best D-man on his cup winners as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

Hedman, better peak and prime

Nieds better career for now


when its all said and done

Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Pronger
MacInnis
Hedman
Stevens
Leetch
Nieds
Keith
Chara
EK
Doughty
Blake
Letang
Weber

Switch Chelios and Coffey and I agree with the list

 

[Statto]

Hedman, better peak and prime

Nieds better career for now


when its all said and done

Bourque
Lidstrom
Chelios
Coffey
Pronger
MacInnis
Hedman
Stevens
Leetch
Nieds
Keith
Chara
EK
Doughty
Blake
Letang
Weber

You missed Orr.

 

[amnesiac]

You missed Orr.

Orr, Harvey, Shore, Potvin, Robinson, Kelly and many more.

Obviously 80s/90s+ Dmen.

 

[psycat]

LOL the voting....
Hedman is good, obviously, but c'mon here, Scotty is one of the best ever dmen, period. Hedmam is not.

One of the most overrated ever maybe.

Hedman has passed the Nieds, Keith, Chara tier

Not for me, he is in that tier(and above Niedermayer but it's close).

 

[Hockeyholic]

Hedman is in a tier with maybe Chara & Keith.

Niedermayer is a tier above that. Smooth skating and slick passer. Led the Ducks to a cup. One of the best D of his generation.

 

[LightningStorm]

Hedman has already passed Niedermayer IMO. Despite Nieds long career, he was only elite from 2003-2007, and I think Heddy at his best is better than that.

 

[amnesiac]

Hedman is in a tier with maybe Chara & Keith.

Niedermayer is a tier above that. Smooth skating and slick passer. Led the Ducks to a cup. One of the best D of his generation.

Pronger was the better Dman on the 07 Ducks (wouldve had the CS if he wasnt suspended)

Hedman by far TB's best Dman for 2 straight Cup runs + SCF

close, but this is Hedman pretty easily when its all said and done

 

[LightningStorm]

Hedman is in a tier with maybe Chara & Keith.

Niedermayer is a tier above that. Smooth skating and slick passer. Led the Ducks to a cup. One of the best D of his generation.

I’d take all of Hedman, Keith and Chara over Niedermayer.

 

[ff8]

I’d take all of Hedman, Keith and Chara over Niedermayer.

Now that’s a take

 

[nbwingsfan]

Hedman has passed the Nieds, Keith, Chara tier

Debatable.
As of now I have it:
Keith
Chara
Hedman
Neidermayer

But there’s an argument for any of them at this point really.

Now that’s a take

Not really. I would too

 

[Golden_Jet]

Is this all this poster does is create polls lol.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Niedermayer is comically underrated on these boards, I can only assume by people that never watched him play a game.

 

[FrankSidebottom]

Is this all this poster does is create polls lol.

Yes, I’m actually a neural network learning to make close and debatable polls.