NHL to Vegas part III: The Black Knight Rises

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Mightygoose

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And if they choose to pursue it, I'm sure a city with all the things Vegas has going for it in June will be pretty easy to consider.

I'm still holding out hope this whole thing is legal and that they have to officially open up for expansion prior to actually considering expanding awarding a team, and that anything said before the actual vote to consider expansion could get the league into trouble.

I'd be a little more nervous about the whole Foley not being invited to the meeting thing if he wasn't going to be sitting in his house 10 miles away once they consider opening the expansion process.

It's kind of along of the lines of what I was thinking.

The league has gauged expression of interest and they will be at a point where they know what's feasible short term and long term.

If the open a formal process, the question is how many teams they will add and over what period of time.
 

BattleBorn

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It's kind of along of the lines of what I was thinking.

The league has gauged expression of interest and they will be at a point where they know what's feasible short term and long term.

If the open a formal process, the question is how many teams they will add and over what period of time.

I always refer to college sports conferences since I've spent a lot of the last few years concentrating on the movement that's taken place there.

If it's anything like that, and it may not be since there's multiple parties involved versus a league/potential team dynamic in the expansion scenario, there wouldn't even be a mention of potential movement until the ducks are all in a row and the resolution is already worked out through back channels or unofficial meetings between the involved parties.

-A major college will not even make a public announcement that it's considering moving conferences until it knows it's moving conferences and that the new conference will accept their membership and that the move will be approved by their board.

-A major conference will not announce it is considering expansion until it knows who is joining, that the details have been worked out, and that the commissioner will have unanimous (or near unanimous) approval from the conference's current members for the new school.

In short, once an announcement it made, the deal is already done and everything that takes places after the announcements that a school is exploring conference options and that a conference is considering expansion is for legal/official purposes.

Short of watching hockey for most of my life, I know very little about the inner workings of the NHL short of what I've learned here throughout the past few months and through my own research. It's in everyone's nature to relate new information and scenarios to things they know or have experienced in the past. To me, this seems a whole lot like the college realignment moves that have played out a number of times over the past few years.

Taking that into consideration, and correct me if my thinking is off base, I really expect to see an announcement at the BoG meetings, or shortly thereafter, that Las Vegas and Quebec City will have expansion franchises for the 2016/17 season. Las Vegas and QC simply can't be on the agenda until the approval from the board to explore expansion has been granted. The last meeting was too far from the ticket drive to know what would happen and explore expansion, and the next meeting is too far away to have the teams start in 2016/17.

The Las Vegas locker rooms are being built, the lease in Vegas has been confirmed to be in place, the drive is successful, the ducks are in a row here. Videotron is done, QC is ready. It's just time to make it official, especially with the QC comments (17/15) from GB referenced in the Quebec thread. You don't hold on to a potential expansion and all the money involved just to hope Seattle gets their plan moving.

Disclosure: Besides what I've mentioned in this post, my opinion is also very much based on the initial Vancouver Province article from last October that stated a four team expansion was in the works involving LV, QC, Seattle, and GTA. Back then, Vegas was a joke and surprise to many, and look where we are now. I think this is a two phase process and Seattle is to join with GTA/Hamilton/Whatever. There's two cities ready (LV/QC) and two that need work.
 

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I always refer to college sports conferences since I've spent a lot of the last few years concentrating on the movement that's taken place there.

If it's anything like that, and it may not be since there's multiple parties involved versus a league/potential team dynamic in the expansion scenario, there wouldn't even be a mention of potential movement until the ducks are all in a row and the resolution is already worked out through back channels or unofficial meetings between the involved parties.

-A major college will not even make a public announcement that it's considering moving conferences until it knows it's moving conferences and that the new conference will accept their membership and that the move will be approved by their board.

-A major conference will not announce it is considering expansion until it knows who is joining, that the details have been worked out, and that the commissioner will have unanimous (or near unanimous) approval from the conference's current members for the new school.

In short, once an announcement it made, the deal is already done and everything that takes places after the announcements that a school is exploring conference options and that a conference is considering expansion is for legal/official purposes.

Short of watching hockey for most of my life, I know very little about the inner workings of the NHL short of what I've learned here throughout the past few months and through my own research. It's in everyone's nature to relate new information and scenarios to things they know or have experienced in the past. To me, this seems a whole lot like the college realignment moves that have played out a number of times over the past few years.

Taking that into consideration, and correct me if my thinking is off base, I really expect to see an announcement at the BoG meetings, or shortly thereafter, that Las Vegas and Quebec City will have expansion franchises for the 2016/17 season. Las Vegas and QC simply can't be on the agenda until the approval from the board to explore expansion has been granted. The last meeting was too far from the ticket drive to know what would happen and explore expansion, and the next meeting is too far away to have the teams start in 2016/17.

The Las Vegas locker rooms are being built, the lease in Vegas has been confirmed to be in place, the drive is successful, the ducks are in a row here. Videotron is done, QC is ready. It's just time to make it official, especially with the QC comments (17/15) from GB referenced in the Quebec thread. You don't hold on to a potential expansion and all the money involved just to hope Seattle gets their plan moving.

Disclosure: Besides what I've mentioned in this post, my opinion is also very much based on the initial Vancouver Province article from last October that stated a four team expansion was in the works involving LV, QC, Seattle, and GTA. Back then, Vegas was a joke and surprise to many, and look where we are now. I think this is a two phase process and Seattle is to join with GTA/Hamilton/Whatever. There's two cities ready (LV/QC) and two that need work.

Can we not take so seriously of a comment by Bettman. Just cause bettman said 15/17 doesn't mean Quebec is getting expansion. If quebec is getting expansion and not seattle, then NHL might as well give up on ever putting a team in Seattle. No one is gonna build the arena to be empty. I don't see NHL going 34 teams where 3 teams may need to relocate.
 

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Can we not take so seriously of a comment by Bettman. Just cause bettman said 15/17 doesn't mean Quebec is getting expansion. If quebec is getting expansion and not seattle, then NHL might as well give up on ever putting a team in Seattle. No one is gonna build the arena to be empty. I don't see NHL going 34 teams where 3 teams may need to relocate.

I love Seattle as a town and it's my intention to have a home there some day. That being said, I'm less interested in making sure there's a team in Seattle than making sure there's a chance for two places that have everything lined up having one. I can't see the reason to hold everything up for Seattle.

Seattle needs an arena. Key Arena is 53 years old and isn't ready for any major sports and it's not an amazing venue for concerts and other events either. Seattle is doing the Seattle thing and exhausting every single option to make sure everyone is happy with what happens, it's what they do.

However, when it all comes down to it, they need an arena no matter what. Do you want to build it, or don't you? QC and LV (and a few other cities for that matter) have arenas with no guaranteed teams, why does Seattle think it's so special that they should get a guarantee? Build the place and they're now a soft landing spot for Arizona if it's needed/expansion to 34 and maybe a NBA relocation/expansion in the future. They get rid of a half century old arena and replace it with a state of the art arena plus they get some extra space in Seattle Center in the bargain. Seems like a win win to me.
 

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500 million here, 500 million there.....pretty soon we're going to be talking about real money :amazed:

A potential BILLION dollars for Las Vegas and Seattle franchises.....yes the NHL sure is hearing the cash registers.....

Yeah, well, a potential NBA franchise sale of $850 million was touted in a news article today as being a bad sign of the league's bubble bursting, so in context an NHL expansion fee is pretty much a bargain.
 

BattleBorn

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Yeah, well, a potential NBA franchise sale of $850 million was touted in a news article today as being a bad sign of the league's bubble bursting, so in context an NHL expansion fee is pretty much a bargain.

I don't play the lotto often, maybe once a year if someone's running to California when the jackpot is high. I always said that if I won I'd buy the San Jose Sharks or get a group together for a Vegas NHL expansion. Ballmer and Foley are messing up all my lotto dreams.:laugh:
 

Jonas1235

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if the league is firm at 500 million, how will Foley not say yes to that. There's no other way his plan will work. BOG doesn't want to move current franchises.
 

joelef

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so why are people calling excited about Seattle but not Las Vegas whenthere both unproven hockey markets?
 

KCC

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so why are people calling excited about Seattle but not Las Vegas whenthere both unproven hockey markets?

I still don't think Seattle could survive long term myself despite Vancouver being so close, but I do feel they'd stand a better chance than Vegas. Prove me wrong people of Nevada, but I don't see hockey working long term. I'm standing firm and standing pat on that answer.
 

joelef

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I still don't think Seattle could survive long term myself despite Vancouver being so close, but I do feel they'd stand a better chance than Vegas. Prove me wrong people of Nevada, but I don't see hockey working long term. I'm standing firm and standing pat on that answer.

and why is seattle any better when there just as unproven
 

BattleBorn

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and why is seattle any better when there just as unproven

Almost twice the population, half the percentage of people that call themselves avid hockey fans, and three pro teams to compete with.

Just kidding, Seattle is going to kill it. I just hope they do it soon.

Prior to the Vegas thing I was a huge advocate of a Seattle team. I still am, just as long as it doesn't mess with Vegas. :laugh:
 
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Stonewall

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Knights/Black Knights has a subtle casino theme of its own.

Maybe it's just because I'm a Sega fan. :)

 

Jett Jagaar

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I still don't think Seattle could survive long term myself despite Vancouver being so close, but I do feel they'd stand a better chance than Vegas. Prove me wrong people of Nevada, but I don't see hockey working long term. I'm standing firm and standing pat on that answer.

Hopefully someone will alert Bettman and Foley regarding your feelings on this matter.

:sarcasm:
 

Brodie

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I think using the Army color scheme was splitting the difference between his desire to honor his alma mater and his understanding that shoehorning in Black Knights wouldn't be great.
 
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