NHL needs to get rid of the Instigator Rule & modify pads

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jetsv2

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You realize the kind of fighting you’re talking about only took place for about 25 of the NHL’s 100+ years?
No he doesn't because he probably was too young to watch hockey during that period. This thread reeks of somebody who is young and wants to feel manly by calling for more fighting and calling everyone who disagrees a wimp or telling them to watch soccer. It happens every few months it seems like.
 
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Sam Adams

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Or if you like watching people punch each other so much, you could go watch boxing. Most people don't care if fighting is a part of hockey or not. I've never met a person in my life who said they watch hockey because of fighting.
 

JaegerDice

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Nah.

If I wanted to watch fighting, I'd actually watch people trained to do it who are... you know... actually good at it. Not guys throwing sloppy haymakers while struggling to balance on skates.

Concussions are up because players are bigger and faster than they were in the 80s, and the rule-changes after the 2005 lockout increased the speed at which players could skate through the NZ into the OZ. Combine that with a crackdown on obstruction that used to allow opposition to slow players down with hooks and holds, and you've got guys hitting each other at speeds you couldn't otherwise reach without a vehicle.

If you want to reduce concussions, you eliminate fighting completely (already happening organically as new generations grow up playing hockey with very little or no fighting), and you take an IIHF-style hard-line against headshots.
 

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No he doesn't because he probably was too young to watch hockey during that period. This thread reeks of somebody who is young and wants to feel manly by calling for more fighting and calling everyone who disagrees a wimp or telling them to watch soccer. It happens every few months it seems like.
 

Sam Adams

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Nah.

If I wanted to watch fighting, I'd actually watch people trained to do it who are... you know... actually good at it. Not guys throwing sloppy haymakers while struggling to balance on skates.

Concussions are up because players are bigger and faster than they were in the 80s, and the rule-changes after the 2005 lockout increased the speed at which players could skate through the NZ into the OZ. Combine that with a crackdown on obstruction that used to allow opposition to slow players down with hooks and holds, and you've got guys hitting each other at speeds you couldn't otherwise reach without a vehicle.

If you want to reduce concussions, you eliminate fighting completely (already happening organically as new generations grow up playing hockey with very little or no fighting), and you take an IIHF-style hard-line against headshots.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen hockey players skate as slow as they did in that clip. If a hockey player today skated at that pace, they'd be called out for dogging it.

The athleticism back then simply isn't what it is now. Which is natural, athletes are always getting better.
 

jetsv2

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I'm not sure what you are proving by spamming old fighting videos, we all realize that fighting happened in hockey of the past but that doesn't mean that it needs to continue.
 
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I don't think I've ever seen hockey players skate as slow as they did in that clip. If a hockey player today skated at that pace, they'd be called out for dogging it.

The athleticism back then simply isn't what it is now. Which is natural, athletes are always getting better.

Watch this. My personal favorite is the face slam into the fence

 

jetsv2

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85 million people watched the playoffs this year, which had almost no fighting. The game is just fine without it.
 

Sam Adams

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I'm not sure what you are proving by spamming old fighting videos, we all realize that fighting happened in hockey of the past but that doesn't mean that it needs to continue.


Im not spamming, I am backing up my argument to people contesting it. People are saying that I am wrong or young and I am showing them they are incorrect.
Hockey is an essential part of hockey. Hitting is an essential part of the sport.
 

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Im not spamming, I am backing up my argument to people contesting it. People are saying that I am wrong or young and I am showing them they are incorrect.
Hockey is an essential part of hockey. Hitting is an essential part of the sport.
I'm not sure how videos from 60 years ago proves that fighting should stay in the game
 

jetsv2

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Im not spamming, I am backing up my argument to people contesting it. People are saying that I am wrong or young and I am showing them they are incorrect.
Hockey is an essential part of hockey. Hitting is an essential part of the sport.
Videos of old hockey don't prove your point. All it proves is that hockey has had fighting in it in the past. Things change.
 

Thordic

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I do agree that they should study pads. The pads have grown in size and strength to the point the person delivering a check barely feels it. Shrink/soften the pads a bit and some of these 'human missile' hits will disappear as players don't want to demolish their own shoulder to deliver a hit.
 
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