News & Notes XLIII: Cam Ward is a Cute lil 10 Year Old

[bleedgreen]

How many NHL level players did he develop during his time in CLT? Brandon Sutter? While there was some questionable drafting by the JR regime you would think at least one first or second line talent would have found its way up from the AHL at some point.

We rarely had more than a few real prospects at the same time due to the frequent trading under JR.

I agree Daniels hasn’t had the greatest track record, but he’s pretty entrenched with us. Don’t see that changing.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We rarely had more than a few real prospects at the same time due to the frequent trading under JR.

True about the picks. Also, Independent of Daniels, what 1st/2nd line talent has ever been developed out of the AHL for Carolina?

-I guess Necas, who was a high 1st round pick (12th OA) and Cole (played a season in the IHL) are the only two I can think of as players drafted and developed in an affiliate.

-E. Staal "kinda" although he only played there because of the lockout as he was in the NHL the prior year.
- Ladd only played 25 games in the AHL so he didn't develop there.

All our other top players didn't come through the AHL or spent very little time there. Skinner, Faulk, Pesce, Slavin, Hanifin, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, Lindholm, and even Sutter (only 36 AHL games), or going back further in Canes history I don't see guys drafted and developed in the AHL becoming 1st/2nd line players.

Another part of that was Karmanos penny pinching IMO. Playing young guys sooner than they were ready saved money that he wasn't spending on vets.

I agree Daniels hasn’t had the greatest track record, but he’s pretty entrenched with us. Don’t see that changing.

I have no idea what the coaching dynamics and roles are within the Canes, but if Daniels is in charge of the PP and sets the direction for the PP, I'd like to see a change there. Like you said though, won't happen with the way Rod operates.

 

[Unsustainable]

shaved my playoff beard, i regret it

 

[WreckingCrew]

True about the picks. Also, Independent of Daniels, what 1st/2nd line talent has ever been developed out of the AHL for Carolina?

-I guess Necas, who was a high 1st round pick (12th OA) and Cole (played a season in the IHL) are the only two I can think of as players drafted and developed in an affiliate.

-E. Staal "kinda" although he only played there because of the lockout as he was in the NHL the prior year.
- Ladd only played 25 games in the AHL so he didn't develop there.

All our other top players didn't come through the AHL or spent very little time there. Skinner, Faulk, Pesce, Slavin, Hanifin, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, Lindholm, and even Sutter (only 36 AHL games), or going back further in Canes history I don't see guys drafted and developed in the AHL becoming 1st/2nd line players.

Another part of that was Karmanos penny pinching IMO. Playing young guys sooner than they were ready saved money that he wasn't spending on vets.



I have no idea what the coaching dynamics and roles are within the Canes, but if Daniels is in charge of the PP and sets the direction for the PP, I'd like to see a change there. Like you said though, won't happen with the way Rod operates.

I mean TOP players rarely need to develop much in the AHL...but we've had lots of depth guys that developed that way (most are not with us anymore though).

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Not too shabby. Staal in 2nd, Jarvis in 8th and Aho just outside the Top 10.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Barkov lapped the field almost 4 times

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Barkov lapped the field almost 4 times

Yeah, I expect him to win at least a couple more of these over the next few years. Partially because he’ll deserve it, but also partially because voters are lazy and will just vote for the previous winner.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Is Matthews a legit 3rd place Selke player? I guess I don’t watch the Leafs at all.

 

[Lempo]

How the hell does a boy on ELC become a high Selke candidate?

 

[bleedgreen]

Rod extended.

Sounds like Daniels too.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Rod extended.

Mine sure is.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Weekes says Rod has agreed to an extension.

 

[bleedgreen]

Mine sure is.

I didn’t need that visual.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Rod extended.

Sounds like Daniels too.

Where's the dislike button?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I didn’t need that visual.

Well, if it lasts for more than four hours, be sure to consult your optometrist.

 

[NotOpie]

First off season priority should be to fire Jeff Daniels...into the sun. There should be zero reason our PP falls apart every year the minute opposing teams have even a little time to study it

I thought that we heard that Rod ran the power play.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I thought that we heard that Rod ran the power play.

It’s all a mystery and understandably so. They keep things vague so when it shits the bed you don’t know who to blame.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I blame myself

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I thought that we heard that Rod ran the power play.

No one has any clue, and I've been unable to find anything official online. Twitter has videos of both of them running the PP solo at different points, which is kind of what you'd expect from a head coach and his assistant.

But either way, it's far easier to fire Daniels than fire Rod, and change needs to happen with regards to the PP regardless. Spending another off-season getting a "PP specialist" just isn't going to cut it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm of the opinion that our lack of elite skill is more of an issue on the PP than anything. Aho is our most skilled guy, but what is his most elite skill? His hockey sense IMO. He's a very good skater as well, but that skill gets neutralized in a PP when you've set up in the zone. He's a good playmaker and good shooter, but I wouldn't call him elite in those areas.

Our ability to outwork teams, out skate teams, our depth and the ability to play all 200 feet makes us a better 5v5 team.

Look at the top PP teams in the playoffs.
EDM: McDavid and Draisaitl
COL: MacKinnion, Rantanen, Makar
NYR: Fox, Panarin. Kreider is an elite net front guy also. Zib has a 1 timer better than any Cane as well.
DAL: Heiskenen, (with a lot of size, depth and scoring at forward like Hintz, Robertson, Duchene, Benn, Seguin, Pavelski, Wyatt Johnston, Marchment)

We don't have a PP QB like Heiskenen, Makar or Fox. We don't have a high end skill guy like McDavid, MacKinon, Panarin, or Draisaitl. Or a net front guy like Kreider. Dallas is probably the closest skill wise, but on top of having Heiskanen, they have a lot of scorers and a lot of guys that are good in front of the net.

In the regular season, we can outwork teams, even on the PP. In the playoffs, it's much harder to outwork teams. I had hoped that Guentzel and Kuznetsov could be difference makers in that regard come playoff time. For whatever reason, that didn't happen.

Also, as Joe said, the team was 25-32 on face-offs on the PP, so won about 43% of them. Aho was 14-12 in face-offs on the PP. Kuznetsov was 3-14.

Other than mixing up the personnel (ie..trying out better net front guys on different PP units, having someone else take a face-off instead of Kuzy, etc...), I'm not sure what else could be done. The coaches were telling the players to get to the net and move, much of the time, they weren't.

 

[robbieberns]

Just watch the way NYR are constantly on the move and moving all over the zone to create different angles and to open up room for mismatches. Compare that to Carolina playing it slow and stagnant, they’ve got nothing once the half wall to goal line to bumper slot play is being covered. Unscreened floaters from the blue line, telegraphed and easy to read one timers from bad angles on the half wall, and net front rushes from the goal line player are all low percentage plays. To me that screams coaching more than available talent.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Just watch the way NYR are constantly on the move and moving all over the zone to create different angles and to open up room for mismatches. Compare that to Carolina playing it slow and stagnant, they’ve got nothing once the half wall to goal line to bumper slot play is being covered. Unscreened floaters from the blue line, telegraphed and easy to read one timers from bad angles on the half wall, and net front rushes from the goal line player are all low percentage plays. To me that screams coaching more than available talent.

They also have kreider who is great with deflections and difficult to move out front plus panarin and zibs who have elite one-timers.

I was hoping that Necas (not very accurate) and svetch (not very accurate nor a rocket) would have evolved their one-time shots to match that but it hasn’t happened. Plus, Burns shoots like a drunken sailor with few accurate on goal.

FWIW: Elites like dreisadl have such an elite shot that he can score from the side even though he is often close to parallel to the goal line.

Looking forward if they move on from Necas we will still be short an elite PP until perhaps Nadeau is ready.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

30 goals and Selke-lite play with those injuries for most of the year? WTF. Kid's a monster

 

[Unsustainable]

30 goals and Selke-lite play with those injuries for most of the year? WTF. Kid's a monster

I had posted it in the wrong thread, but that is crazy

 

[Svechhammer]

30 goals and Selke-lite play with those injuries for most of the year? WTF. Kid's a monster

That's insane. Lock him up long term. If that's him on one arm, he's going to be a Hart Finalist at some point in his career