News and notes XXXIX: off-season schedule announced

[AhosDatsyukian]

When the team was in Hartford, the argument might have seemed reasonable. But at this point conflating pride events with "promoting lifestyles" is out of touch.

It's literally in the definition on wikipedia:

"LGBT pride (also known as gay pride or simply pride) is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people as a social group."


The promotion of increased visibility of LGBT people.

If players don't want to involve themselves with that for whatever reason, that is their right and prerogative.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's literally in the definition on wikipedia:

"LGBT pride (also known as gay pride or simply pride) is the promotion of the self-affirmation, dignity, equality, and increased visibility of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people as a social group."


The promotion of increased visibility of LGBT people.

If players don't want to involve themselves with that for whatever reason, that is their right and prerogative.

I can't put words in @42 jerks mouth, but I think he's pointing to the difference between affirming a group of people and affirming a 'lifestyle'.

For those of us old enough to remember, that 'promoting a lifestyle' line is very reminiscent of the era when it was common to say being LGBT was a lifestyle choice (implicit: a tragically perverted choice) and therefore the people who made that choice were responsible for their behavior and accountable for any consequences therefrom (implicit: AIDS, violence, social shunning, general discrimination and harassment). This is the crux of the whole Pride movement, which was intended to claim some dignity and social affirmation for LGBT people.

Also not intending to put any sort of words in your mouth with the above, but that's the depth into which we plunge with phrases like "promoting a lifestyle".

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I can't put words in @42 jerks mouth, but I think he's pointing to the difference between affirming a group of people and affirming a 'lifestyle'.

For those of us old enough to remember, that 'promoting a lifestyle' line is very reminiscent of the era when it was common to say being LGBT was a lifestyle choice (implicit: a tragically perverted choice) and therefore the people who made that choice were responsible for their behavior and accountable for any consequences therefrom (implicit: AIDS, violence, social shunning, general discrimination and harassment). This is the crux of the whole Pride movement, which was intended to claim some dignity and social affirmation for LGBT people.

Also not intending to put any sort of words in your mouth with the above, but that's the depth into which we plunge with phrases like "promoting a lifestyle".

Fair, that certainly was not my intent. Regardless, I strongly stand by my point that players shouldn’t be forced or coerced into participating in this movement if they don’t want to.

 

[Derailed75]

Fair, that certainly was not my intent. Regardless, I strongly stand by my point that players shouldn’t be forced or coerced into participating in this movement if they don’t want to.

Or any other movement for that matter. As much as LGBT, and other minorities are allowed to be themselves, do their thing and love their lives (rightly so) us straight people are allowed to do ours without being expected to jump up and down and cheer you on for nothing more than being yourself.

I'm reminded of a joke a comedian told about handicap people just wanting to be treated like everyone else.

Can't I just ignore LGBT's like I do everyone else?

 

[MinJaBen]

Can't I just ignore LGBT's like I do everyone else?

You certainly can. Just don’t sign a contract in an entertainment industry, because then you may have to whether you want to or not.

 

[htdoc]

Why LTIR use is on the rise, and how it's about to impact your team | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

this does a good job of explaining LTIR pools and why you want to maximize the amount of LTIR so you can exceed the salary cap by that amount with replacement contracts…

nothing the Canes did today to maximize their LTIR pool for Gardiner contract will have any bearing on whom will be on the 23 man roster for opening night.

now that we maximized our LTIR pool for Gardiner given our contracts and their salary cap hits and the waiver staus limitations each player in our org had that dictated what paper transactions we had to make to get as close to the 82.5m cap today, we can now paler move everyone back to where they should be and we can lock in the opening night roster and sign any further players we want etc.

Gardiner was different than Patches LTIR…. We can play games with Patches with regard to standard IR to open up a roster spot in the 23 man limit and also temporarily add to the LTIR pool beyond the $4.05m minus ~$14k opening night lock pool…. But Patches will be back before the end of the season. So we can’t do a Kucherov with him this year and can’t just go crazy and add $7m in extra contracts…. Stepan will get a deal and the dollar amount will be such that if we absolutely have to waive him to get cap comp when Patches is ready to come back, we can bury his contract in the minors…. But I expect if we get to that point it won’t be Stepan getting waived versus a dman or maybe Noesen at that point…

but check out the link above as it has great info that likely will answer mamy questions that people have…

opening night we will have some version of the following I’m sure just like we have all been speculating:

Aho - TT - Jarvis
KK - Svech - Necas
Staal - Stas - Fast
Drury - Martinook - Kane - Stepan - Noesen

Slav - Burns
Skjei - Pesce
deHaan - Coghlan - Bear - Chatfield

Freddie - Raanta

Patches - IR to start but LTIR if really needed at some point this year
Gardiner - LTIR all season

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Why LTIR use is on the rise, and how it's about to impact your team | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

this does a good job of explaining LTIR pools and why you want to maximize the amount of LTIR so you can exceed the salary cap by that amount with replacement contracts…

nothing the Canes did today to maximize their LTIR pool for Gardiner contract will have any bearing on whom will be on the 23 man roster for opening night.

now that we maximized our LTIR pool for Gardiner given our contracts and their salary cap hits and the waiver staus limitations each player in our org had that dictated what paper transactions we had to make to get as close to the 82.5m cap today, we can now paler move everyone back to where they should be and we can lock in the opening night roster and sign any further players we want etc.

Gardiner was different than Patches LTIR…. We can play games with Patches with regard to standard IR to open up a roster spot in the 23 man limit and also temporarily add to the LTIR pool beyond the $4.05m minus ~$14k opening night lock pool…. But Patches will be back before the end of the season. So we can’t do a Kucherov with him this year and can’t just go crazy and add $7m in extra contracts…. Stepan will get a deal and the dollar amount will be such that if we absolutely have to waive him to get cap comp when Patches is ready to come back, we can bury his contract in the minors…. But I expect if we get to that point it won’t be Stepan getting waived versus a dman or maybe Noesen at that point…

but check out the link above as it has great info that likely will answer mamy questions that people have…

opening night we will have some version of the following I’m sure just like we have all been speculating:

Aho - TT - Jarvis
KK - Svech - Necas
Staal - Stas - Fast
Drury - Martinook - Kane - Stepan - Noesen

Slav - Burns
Skjei - Pesce
deHaan - Coghlan - Bear - Chatfield

Freddie - Raanta

Patches - IR to start but LTIR if really needed at some point this year
Gardiner - LTIR all season

Once we send Rees and Kochetkov back down, we have enough money to bring up one of Drury or Martinook. Or we sign Stepan. We have to risk sending a defender through waivers or trading one to get more than one forward from Chicago.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

people need to start telling nutjobs to shut up when they're being nutjobs,

'Shut up nutjob' is going to be my go to phrase on HF from here on out.

 

[emptyNedder]

I can't put words in @42 jerks mouth, but I think he's pointing to the difference between affirming a group of people and affirming a 'lifestyle.

Feel free to speak for me--you did so more thoughtfully than I would have.

Fair, that certainly was not my intent. Regardless, I strongly stand by my point that players shouldn’t be forced or coerced into participating in this movement if they don’t want to.

I have read the e-mail in question multiple times. The offer to talk with players is just that--an offer to talk. Brittany Egan even states "some players may not care at all." That clearly implies she is comfortable with them not participating in her one-hour discussion (someone mentioned she wanted one-hour with each player, that is a misreading of the email). Several posters have mentioned legal ramifications, that too seems to be reading way too much into the email. Having a one-hour voluntary meeting for any player who wants to learn more or discuss his understanding of LGBTQ+ issues is not that dangerous.

Where some see a person who has never been told no and a person willing to coerce others, I see an honest offer to talk about an important issue. Which is why I find it so hard to understand the almost visceral dislike for Brittany Egan.

*Disclaimer. I don't have Twitter so I wasn't able to read past posts, which may give more insight into to whether Brittany Egan is self-serving and has boundary issues or simply is eager to help others.

 

[FlyguyOX]

So Rees didn't make the roster then?...

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So Rees didn't make the roster then?...

?

He made the roster for cap purposes. He and Pyotr weren’t staying

 

[Svechhammer]

Feel free to speak for me--you did so more thoughtfully than I would have.


I have read the e-mail in question multiple times. The offer to talk with players is just that--an offer to talk. Brittany Egan even states "some players may not care at all." That clearly implies she is comfortable with them not participating in her one-hour discussion (someone mentioned she wanted one-hour with each player, that is a misreading of the email). Several posters have mentioned legal ramifications, that too seems to be reading way too much into the email. Having a one-hour voluntary meeting for any player who wants to learn more or discuss his understanding of LGBTQ+ issues is not that dangerous.

Where some see a person who has never been told no and a person willing to coerce others, I see an honest offer to talk about an important issue. Which is why I find it so hard to understand the almost visceral dislike for Brittany Egan.

*Disclaimer. I don't have Twitter so I wasn't able to read past posts, which may give more insight into to whether Brittany Egan is self-serving and has boundary issues or simply is eager to help others.

She's the mascot, who already got in trouble for shooting from the hip without permission, asking for an hour of 1:1 time with each player to try and eradicate the toxic masculinity that she claims they have been force fed from basically birth. And on top of that, the punctuation is so off you have to wonder if she's got a screw loose, on top of alllll the other stuff.

She overstepped her bounds by a country mile and is trying to use that to gain credibility and stir up controversy on Twitter using a completely unrelated scandal involving a former player. She deserves the criticism she is getting in here.

 

[SlavinAway]

She's the mascot, who already got in trouble for shooting from the hip without permission, asking for an hour of 1:1 time with each player to try and eradicate the toxic masculinity that she claims they have been force fed from basically birth. And on top of that, the punctuation is so off you have to wonder if she's got a screw loose, on top of alllll the other stuff.

She overstepped her bounds by a country mile and is trying to use that to gain credibility and stir up controversy on Twitter using a completely unrelated scandal involving a former player. She deserves the criticism she is getting in here.

I'd consider myself fairly lenient in respecting where people come from with stuff like this but completely agree that she's firmly at fault here.

 

[Chrispy]

So Rees didn't make the roster then?...

We don't expect him to stay on the roster, no.

This is all to maximize Gardiner's LTIR. Rees and Kochetkov will go back to Chicago. Martinook will be called back up with 1 of 2 situations:

1) Bear is traded
2) Someone else is also sent down (Noesen? Chatfield if Bear stays?)

I think Stepan will be signed as well, but that will likely require both Noesen and Chatfield to go down to Chicago and/or Bear to be dealt.

 

[MinJaBen]

When are the rosters finalized to start the season? Today at 5pm or was that yesterday? Speculated moves would/could occur after that, correct?

 

[Chrispy]

She's the mascot, who already got in trouble for shooting from the hip without permission, asking for an hour of 1:1 time with each player to try and eradicate the toxic masculinity that she claims they have been force fed from basically birth. And on top of that, the punctuation is so off you have to wonder if she's got a screw loose, on top of alllll the other stuff.

She overstepped her bounds by a country mile and is trying to use that to gain credibility and stir up controversy on Twitter using a completely unrelated scandal involving a former player. She deserves the criticism she is getting in here.

I have no issue with her inquiring about training and stating that there is a problem when no one on the team is willing to step up and be the face for the Pride nights. Should they force someone? No. Is it a good look for the team? Also no.

That said, forcing yourself into the trainer position when your role is mascot is outstepping your position by a huge amount. Requesting they have training is acceptable, but the franchise should have the opportunity to choose what professional they bring in for such courses.

The only way I see a team having someone selected for such training for them is if the league mandates a consistent program. Barring that, the franchise response is "We understand your concerns. We have identified (or will identify) a program and the trainers to lead it."

 

[SlavinAway]

Isn't Pesce the main guy for Pride Nights?

 

[FlyguyOX]

We don't expect him to stay on the roster, no.

This is all to maximize Gardiner's LTIR. Rees and Kochetkov will go back to Chicago. Martinook will be called back up with 1 of 2 situations:

1) Bear is traded
2) Someone else is also sent down (Noesen? Chatfield if Bear stays?)

I think Stepan will be signed as well, but that will likely require both Noesen and Chatfield to go down to Chicago and/or Bear to be dealt.

Damnit...

What if Bear isn't traded?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

When are the rosters finalized to start the season? Today at 5pm or was that yesterday? Speculated moves would/could occur after that, correct?

yesterday at 5. today is the first official day of the season

Damnit...

What if Bear isn't traded?

we send Rees and Kochetkov down and we can do 1 of
call up Drury
call up Martinook
Sign stepan

 

[Chrispy]

yesterday at 5. today is the first official day of the season


we send Rees and Kochetkov down and we can do 1 of
call up Drury
call up Martinook
Sign stepan

I thought they needed to send 3 down for Martinook, but I forgot there is already a 675k buried salary penalty on the books for Martinook. They only need to clear $1.125M, which will be done by sending Rees and Kochetkov down.

Send Noesen or Chatfield down as well and there should be space for signing Stepan.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I thought they needed to send 3 down for Martinook, but I forgot there is already a 675k buried salary penalty on the books for Martinook. They only need to clear $1.125M, which will be done by sending Rees and Kochetkov down.

Send Noesen or Chatfield down as well and there should be space for signing Stepan.

Chatfield and probably Noesen would likely be claimed.

 

[MadeUpName]

Chatfield and probably Noesen would likely be claimed.

Their guaranteed salaries should scare teams off. Better players were left unclaimed in the past couple days. It is possible they could be picked up but unlikely. Both are probably better off playing in the AHL than sitting in a press box.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Their guaranteed salaries should scare teams off. Better players were left unclaimed in the past couple days. It is possible they could be picked up but unlikely. Both are probably better off playing in the AHL than sitting in a press box.

Chatfield's guarantee for this year is only 300k. Teams who claim them have to put them on the roster so, that point is moot.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I have read the e-mail in question multiple times. The offer to talk with players is just that--an offer to talk. Brittany Egan even states "some players may not care at all." That clearly implies she is comfortable with them not participating in her one-hour discussion (someone mentioned she wanted one-hour with each player, that is a misreading of the email). Several posters have mentioned legal ramifications, that too seems to be reading way too much into the email. Having a one-hour voluntary meeting for any player who wants to learn more or discuss his understanding of LGBTQ+ issues is not that dangerous.

Where some see a person who has never been told no and a person willing to coerce others, I see an honest offer to talk about an important issue. Which is why I find it so hard to understand the almost visceral dislike for Brittany Egan.

*Disclaimer. I don't have Twitter so I wasn't able to read past posts, which may give more insight into to whether Brittany Egan is self-serving and has boundary issues or simply is eager to help others.

My post was in response to you saying "She has a very valid point--if not one player was willing to engage with Pride night, that is a big problem," not her email. I take issue with that. There is no problem with players not wanting to engage with it for any reason they want. They are paid to play hockey, give interviews about hockey, etc. Not promote something they don't want to. And, FWIW, to me this would apply to anything not related to hockey -- pride night, military, etc. If your post said "if not one player was willing to engage with military night, that is a big problem" I would take the same issue with it.

I haven't posted anything against Brittany, I barely know anything about her and am not reading into it much. I made one post (separate from the one in the chain of our back and forth) about the email laughing at how someone could easily read into potential sexual intentions behind a young (attractive?) woman wanting to meet privately in 1 hour sessions with pro athletes which would be kept completely confidential. I just found that email to be funny/absurd/ironic. I'm not making claims about her intentions, I have no idea and won't pretend to.

 

[Lempo]

*Disclaimer. I don't have Twitter so I wasn't able to read past posts, which may give more insight into to whether Brittany Egan is self-serving and has boundary issues or simply is eager to help others.

In her twitter post where she told the world about having been pushed out of NHL she (re-)shared the twitter post made from the official* NHLStormy account on October 2021, the posting of which led to her losing her social media privileges back in the day.

In her post she tied this year-old event to Canes having had employed the alleged sexual predator Ian Cole at that same time.

1) I wouldn't think Canes organization had any reason to suspect anything about Cole's behavior at that time (I might obviously be wrong). So Egan now tieing up the two events probably is massive hindsight 20/20, which either intentionally or unintentionally makes the Canes look bad.

2) The Stormy post very clearly was using her professional position in the organization for non-organization-greenlighted campaigning/promotion of a cause.

3) Furthermore, this October 2021 posting seems to tie up with the Chicago Blackhawks sexual assault scandal having just come to the public limelight. Canes was tied to the scandal as part of the NHL. Going rogue with this stuff may actually have been very much against the interests of her employer/the NHL. Never mind whether her heart was in right place, It's unprofessional as hell, and you can't not expect to have professional repercussions for it. A choice was made by Egan.

4) There had been a previous big scandal as Patrick Kane had been implicated for sexual assault in 2015. Kane was never charged and apparently, according to wikipedia, during those events "it later came to light that the complainant's mother had orchestrated a hoax in which she attempted to make it appear as if critical evidence had been tampered with." Kane was expected to potentially be a big trade piece in the next summer 2022, with Canes as one plausible destination. The message from someone in Canes organization prompting to "believe survivors" was somewhat problematic for both Canes and NHL, what with there being questions about the credibility of the alleged survivor in the Kane case.

In my opinion, her coming out now in this apparently fact-twisting fashion with this year-old thing making the Canes organization look bad validates the Canes not having done business with her.

Obviously it's very difficult to criticize her for now choosing to remind that NHL has bad track record in dealing with sexual abuse in hockey.