New New York Times Article on CTE (110/111) came back with CTE
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I want to see the study where they take 110 people that never played sports and see what they show. I don't believe they've done a study like that, if so, can someone link it?
You should read the articles - they won't say it's a direct correlation because it wasn't a random sample, which I think is what you're getting st. It was a sample of people who had cte or had symptoms. Good old media blowing you up with the headline though, right? Journalism sucks today.
But one interesting aspect is that they found more severe cases the longer the player played.
But one interesting aspect is that they found more severe cases the longer the player played.
What the Faulk
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It's true. They've never looked at the brains of nonathletes in the history of modern medicine.
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And so I asked, can someone link to the study where they look for CTE in non-athletes.
I am sure playing sports makes it worse, but it would be nice to know how much worse. Do non athletes have a 0% chance? A 10% chance? You need to know what you are measuring against.
What the Faulk
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CTE has been known for literally almost 100 years. Do you really need to be told that its prevalence is much greater by X amount when your head gets banged around? Sports isn't the only way to get it.
http://pnl.bwh.harvard.edu/education/what-is/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/
I get wanting proof, but some things don't need to be challenged.
http://pnl.bwh.harvard.edu/education/what-is/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/
I get wanting proof, but some things don't need to be challenged.
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There is proof, obvious proof, but you need to know what the baseline is. That's science.
You need to know to what level should be the target of safety regulations. If half the population that didn't play sports have CTE, then you know where you need to be. If it's 5%, you know it has to be a lot better.
This is all I am saying here.
You need to know to what level should be the target of safety regulations. If half the population that didn't play sports have CTE, then you know where you need to be. If it's 5%, you know it has to be a lot better.
This is all I am saying here.
What the Faulk
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I don't get the relevance of the exact number (considering, as I said, CTE can be developed through a myriad of other activities), but I guess we can slap some warning labels on sportsballs and say we addressed the problem?
We can only make the games so safe. Concussion helmets only do so much. This is a thing that will probably never go away as long as we have organized sports.
We can only make the games so safe. Concussion helmets only do so much. This is a thing that will probably never go away as long as we have organized sports.
Here's a possible source in a 3 second google search - http://www.bu.edu/cte/
I'm not gullible enough to do legwork for your own research to prove a point; you'll have to dig through the medical files yourself to find the answer.
GordonGecko
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It's very bad but it's really important to understand that these 111 players had problems in life post-career and wanted to be checked out in death. Players who reported no problems didn't request to have their brains examined. So it's a self selected group, it's not like 99% of all players have CTE, not by a longshot
What's the actual number, 10%? 20%? 40%? who knows unless they all autopsy
What the Faulk
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^ The number is irrelevant. Is there a link between getting your head banged around and having CTE? The answer appears to be no **** there is. So what are we gonna do about it? Again, only so much.
GordonGecko
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The end result will be less talent in the NFL. The talent will go to other sports or professions and you'll have more marginal players fill the void
What the Faulk
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It's a contact sport. There will be issues with CTE. I wouldn't be surprised if getting your bell rung in a game is a mandatory 1-game sit soon. Of course then you'd have to make the penalty for targeting the head more severe. Auto-ejections and suspensions.
GordonGecko
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The concussions are one thing, but they're also finding that repeated non-concussion impacts also result in CTE. So a player may never have been knocked out and still turn into a vegetable by 45 years old
That's something they're not going to be able to control unless you take contact out, unfortunately.
GordonGecko
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so what you're trying to say is that Trump is actually building the wall on the wrong border...
Gene Parmesan
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Well all the information is out there for today's players. They've modified helmets and pads. Not much else they can do.
GordonGecko
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IMO no helmet will do jack over an NFL career, it's the sudden accelerating into a brick wall where the brain accelerates and smashes into the skull over and over and over again
Gene Parmesan
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You know players aren't taught to lead with their helmets right? Maybe if they would flag ball carriers more often when they use the crown of their helmet you'd see less concussions.
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Interview with Brian Urlacher
https://theathletic.com/86812/2017/08/20/a-sunday-conversation-with-brian-urlacher/
I can tell you every play from every game I was in. But I can’t tell you what I had for dinner last night. I can’t tell you what my wife told me this morning. I forget what she tells me, but she reminds me later. I feel like I’m still sharp enough, but I never was that sharp anyway.
https://theathletic.com/86812/2017/08/20/a-sunday-conversation-with-brian-urlacher/
I can tell you every play from every game I was in. But I can’t tell you what I had for dinner last night. I can’t tell you what my wife told me this morning. I forget what she tells me, but she reminds me later. I feel like I’m still sharp enough, but I never was that sharp anyway.
It does make me wonder - I mean after age 40 your brain starts to go. I'm 41 and can already feel some of those effects. I played rugby and football but I think my memory loss is just natural
Also, there's a concern in the medical community that dementia and Alzheimer's are growing in numbers.
Not trying to minimize the CTE thing at all - it's very real. But some of these guys could be just getting old. I don't care who you are - father time catches up with ya.
Also, there's a concern in the medical community that dementia and Alzheimer's are growing in numbers.
Not trying to minimize the CTE thing at all - it's very real. But some of these guys could be just getting old. I don't care who you are - father time catches up with ya.
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