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Chimaera

Chimaera

same ol' Caps
Feb 4, 2004
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I don't know if it's worse than the current one. It's different.

I don't really care. It's a means to an end, mainly cashing a check, so whatever.
 
maclean

maclean

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TheMoreYouKnow said:
It is pretty hypocritical to have a flourishing licensed merchandise industry while using imagery associated with anarchist-socialist politics. How many German clubs other than St.Pauli and Bayern have a U.S. club store? Not many. St.Pauli cleverly connects their club image with Far Left politics attractive to kids who otherwise have no connection with the team, city or sport even, and discovered long ago that there's a global appetite for their brand among those sets of people (often also linked to the punk/alternative scene). In some ways this is as calculated a commercial act as what Man United or Liverpool do. Cashing in on licensing is as capitalist as it gets..even if you slap a pirate flag and Antifa logos on it.
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I mean, whatever, I won't take your opinion from you, but your position is not very solid. I can assure you there is nothing cynical or calculated about the fan base. You may as well say that punk bands aren't allowed to sell albums or merch, which is patently ridiculous. If there is a demand for their merchandise on the basis of affinity, it is only natural that channels be used to facilitate this, and indeed international solidarity is an integral part of the scene in question. Why would the merchandise not be made available to those who identify with what is perhaps the only anti-racist club in the world?

If you want to criticise partnering with major brands as not fitting with the ideology, OK, but my impression is that you simply dislike the ideology and are reaching for any reason to criticise it. Fine, it's your prerogative, but it only demonstrates why a team like St Pauli is so unique.
 
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TheMoreYouKnow

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maclean said:
I mean, whatever, I won't take your opinion from you, but your position is not very solid. I can assure you there is nothing cynical or calculated about the fan base. You may as well say that punk bands aren't allowed to sell albums or merch, which is patently ridiculous. If there is a demand for their merchandise on the basis of affinity, it is only natural that channels be used to facilitate this, and indeed international solidarity is an integral part of the scene in question. Why would the merchandise not be made available to those who identify with what is perhaps the only anti-racist club in the world?

If you want to criticise partnering with major brands as not fitting with the ideology, OK, but my impression is that you simply dislike the ideology and are reaching for any reason to criticise it. Fine, it's your prerogative, but it only demonstrates why a team like St Pauli is so unique.
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It's correct that I dislike the ideology, it's also correct that I dislike the club, but these criticisms are obvious and can easily be made from within that ideology. Calling them the only anti-racist club in the world is also hilarious. Not only are most football clubs pretty explicitly against racism, but even ignoring that and just going with the Far Left interpretation of 'anti-racist' (i.e. you have to be on board with everything the Left says to not be racist in some way), there's also other pretty explicitly left-wing clubs. None of them are quite as good at self-promotion as St.Pauli though especially with regard to international reach. I'll give you the example of Roter Stern Leipzig who are explicitly associated with the extreme anarchist/communist scene in Leipzig. Babelsberg 03 is more moderately leftist in its 'official' posture, but their fans are also typically associated with the radical leftist scene in Potsdam.
 
Machinehead

Machinehead

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May just be questionable photography because it looks a lot less obnoxious in person.

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Machinehead

Machinehead

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TheMoreYouKnow said:
It is pretty hypocritical to have a flourishing licensed merchandise industry while using imagery associated with anarchist-socialist politics. How many German clubs other than St.Pauli and Bayern have a U.S. club store? Not many. St.Pauli cleverly connects their club image with Far Left politics attractive to kids who otherwise have no connection with the team, city or sport even, and discovered long ago that there's a global appetite for their brand among those sets of people (often also linked to the punk/alternative scene). In some ways this is as calculated a commercial act as what Man United or Liverpool do. Cashing in on licensing is as capitalist as it gets..even if you slap a pirate flag and Antifa logos on it.
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Who cares? It's a shirt.

This is the same big brain "RATM shouldn't sell music" take.
 
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maclean

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It's correct that I dislike the ideology, it's also correct that I dislike the club, but these criticisms are obvious and can easily be made from within that ideology. Calling them the only anti-racist club in the world is also hilarious. Not only are most football clubs pretty explicitly against racism, but even ignoring that and just going with the Far Left interpretation of 'anti-racist' (i.e. you have to be on board with everything the Left says to not be racist in some way), there's also other pretty explicitly left-wing clubs. None of them are quite as good at self-promotion as St.Pauli though especially with regard to international reach. I'll give you the example of Roter Stern Leipzig who are explicitly associated with the extreme anarchist/communist scene in Leipzig. Babelsberg 03 is more moderately leftist in its 'official' posture, but their fans are also typically associated with the radical leftist scene in Potsdam.
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Most football clubs are explicitly against racism, but when you peel back the surface a bit, it's little more than a facade. Take the recent case of Slavia, for example. A team that loudly toes the line of Say No To Racism, but their player almost certainly whispered a racially derisive remark to a black player, and then their ultras group doubled down with one of the more shockingly offensive banners in recent memory. My own local club Bohemians Praha is essentially the only Czech club with a strongly anti-fascist fan base, but that is only one part of the fan base, and there are other fans who reject it, including right-wing hooligans who regularly want to engage the other part in street battles.
At any rate, we're veering off topic, to each his own, but I think that calling them hypocritical is way off-base.
 
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Albatros

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FC St. Pauli also operates its entire structure as an actual club, essentially non-profit with only certain commercial liberties justified by the maintenance of club operations. They can not legally do anything solely or primarily for the sake of making money.
 
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luiginb

luiginb

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TheMoreYouKnow said:
It is pretty hypocritical to have a flourishing licensed merchandise industry while using imagery associated with anarchist-socialist politics. How many German clubs other than St.Pauli and Bayern have a U.S. club store? Not many. St.Pauli cleverly connects their club image with Far Left politics attractive to kids who otherwise have no connection with the team, city or sport even, and discovered long ago that there's a global appetite for their brand among those sets of people (often also linked to the punk/alternative scene). In some ways this is as calculated a commercial act as what Man United or Liverpool do. Cashing in on licensing is as capitalist as it gets..even if you slap a pirate flag and Antifa logos on it.
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Sorry not all socialists live under bridges while fighting capitalism...
 
Your old Jofa helmet

Your old Jofa helmet

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When I visited Hamburg, I was astonished how much souvenir crap and merch Sankt-Pauli brandish and sell to tourists. They're a total Disneyland pretending to be a "true" football club.
 
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