My comprehensive Benning criticism

[ProstheticConscience]

IMHO it's only when you start following transaction chains that you can really see Benning's hopelessness for what it is. You can say that, sure, Garrison for a 2nd was a good deal. But then he immediately negated it by throwing that pick away on Linden Vey. So you can't really look at it in isolation.

 

[rypper]

I read and respect everything you post @orcatown but had to stop and say I have a hard time accepting Bartkowski in the positive column. That said, i'm gonna go finish reading your post now.

Nevermind didn't see it was under the contracts banner.

 

[Chuck Feathers]

The difference between the two situations is stark. Yzerman spent a few seasons in the red wings front office learning the ropes under Holland, and took a GM position with another team after Holland signed an extension. Joe Sakic and Rob Blake also took lesser roles in their respective teams front office before moving up the ranks.

Linden was busy building houses in Kelowna with his brother and hawking contact lenses when he was randomly named President of the team. It really has been understated how absurd the whole thing was and, honestly, how unfair it was to put him in that position.

And I say that as someone who doesn't like Linden much at all.

Not to mention Stevie Y was the leader of an actual (multi) championship team, so has first hand knowledge over many years of what that process looks like and requires..

 

[orcatown]

Bartkowski is marginal. However, he was signed and played for other NHL teams after leaving here which somewhat legitimizes the Canucks signing him. Makes him seem more legit NHL material and thus worth a contract. Agree he was not a good signing if you just consider his efforts in Vancouver.

 

[Hit the post]

Bartkowski is marginal. However, he was signed and played for other NHL teams after leaving here which somewhat legitimizes the Canucks signing him. Makes him seem more legit NHL material and thus worth a contract. Agree he was not a good signing if you just consider his efforts in Vancouver.

Only signed a one year deal for us so even though he laid an egg, we didn’t give up any assets to get him & only had to suffer one season with him on the team. Too bad Benning couldn’t continue this filling out the roster this way instead of not just overpaying guys but giving term and/or NTCs to bottom six D’s or 3rd/4th line forwards.

 

[VC]

Only signed a one year deal for us so even though he laid an egg, we didn’t give up any assets to get him & only had to suffer one season with him on the team. Too bad Benning couldn’t continue this filling out the roster this way instead of not not overpaying guys but giving term and/or NTCs to bottom six D’s or 3rd/4th line forwards.

My random guess is that he felt like since the one offs didn't work so he had to go for the bigger 'fish' of the depth world.

 

[skyo]

[QUOTE="ProstheticConscience, post: 160554957, member: 102300"

You can say that, sure, Garrison for a 2nd was a good deal. But then he immediately negated it by throwing that pick away on Linden Vey. So you can't really look at it in isolation.[/QUOTE]
Then you realize he really listened to his coaches, that was a Desjardin trade.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

[QUOTE="ProstheticConscience, post: 160554957, member: 102300"

You can say that, sure, Garrison for a 2nd was a good deal. But then he immediately negated it by throwing that pick away on Linden Vey. So you can't really look at it in isolation.
Then you realize he really listened to his coaches, that was a Desjardin trade.

So he made a deal based on his coach's advice without doing any research himself? Sounds pretty bloody stupid to me.

 

[Pip]

Then you realize he really listened to his coaches, that was a Desjardin trade.

Get outta here with this BS

 

[VanJack]

You know this is one of the few off-seasons where a GM with some smarts could really move the Canucks forward rapidly. Too many teams with cap problems and players they need to unload. Also some interesting UFA's who could plug some huge holes in the lineup, and the Canucks certainly have oodles of cap space.

But every time I think of Jimbo actually picking up the phone and making some of these deals happen, I get that same hopeless feeling.

 

[tradervik]

You know this is one of the few off-seasons where a GM with some smarts could really move the Canucks forward rapidly. Too many teams with cap problems and players they need to unload. Also some interesting UFA's who could plug some huge holes in the lineup, and the Canucks certainly have oodles of cap space.

But every time I think of Jimbo actually picking up the phone and making some of these deals happen, I get that same hopeless feeling.

Totally agree. Canucks have $26 million in cap space and only one big contract they have to sign (Boeser). Then they're two years away from having to re-up Pettersson and Hughes. Instead of throwing away cap space on more Erickssons and Beagles, why not use it to pry away good players on good contracts from teams facing a cap crunch? This was Botch's argument and I think he was right.

 

[Pavel96]

Totally agree. Canucks have $26 million in cap space and only one big contract they have to sign (Boeser). Then they're two years away from having to re-up Pettersson and Hughes. Instead of throwing away cap space on more Erickssons and Beagles, why not use it to pry away good players on good contracts from teams facing a cap crunch? This was Botch's argument and I think he was right.

Because that takes:

A plan that involves the future.

The Canucks do not have such a plan.

 

[TruKnyte]

Because that takes:

A plan that involves the future.

The Canucks do not have such a plan.

You could have stopped at plan

 

[Ryp37]

Then you realize he really listened to his coaches, that was a Desjardin trade.

It doesn’t hurt Vey’s chances that general manager Jim Benning targeted him in his early days on the job. During his time in Boston, Benning watched Vey play a number of games with his former Manchester linemates Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson.
“I think they were the best line in the AHL,” Benning said Friday.

He is one of those guys that can buy time with the puck and he has real good vision so he can set players up for good scoring chances,” Benning said. “His vision of the ice and his ability to find open guys is a skill that he has that I think separates him from other players. He has worked hard this summer and is in the best shape he has ever been in, so I’m looking forward to seeing what he does.”

Linden Vey looks to make the most of his chance with Canucks[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Javaman]

Get outta here with this BS

But Desjardins!

The poster deserves at least partial marks for creativity.