My 2014-2015 NHL Standings based on Advanced Stats

Grandpabuzz

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EDIT: ***NOTE: Post 28 has updated standings as of October 6, 2014******

To follow up on my ongoing analysis of advanced stats in the NHL, below I will attempt to predict the standings next year. The way I do this is use my predicted value for each player expected to play in the NHL during the season and estimate approximately what type of ice time he will get over the duration of 82 games. The predicted ice time is a bit arbitrary but is based on historical figures and current roster constructs. Ultimately a shift in per-game ice time by a minute (or even two) does not really affect the team’s total performance.

The total ice time for each player is then normalized for each team, so that each team’s forwards play a total of 180 minutes per game, defenders 120 minutes and goalies 60 minutes per game.

I then value for each position based on the offensive and defensive zone. When defending, you have the goaltender, three forwards and two defenders. As a result, the goalie would have a 16% value, the defenders would have a 33% value and the forwards a 50% value.

In the offensive zone, you have three forwards and two defenders. The forwards would have a 60% value and the defenders a 40% value. When you combine the zones, an individual forward on the team would have a 4.6% impact on the game, an individual defender a 6.1% impact and the goaltender an 8.3% impact. These percentages are on a normal basis and obviously changes depending on that forward/defender’s ice time relative to his position peers.

As an example, if Chara on the Bruins plays 30 minutes per game and the rest of the defenders play 18 minutes per game, Chara’s positional value would be 9.2% whereas the rest of the defenders on the team would have a 5.5% positional value. For the upcoming season, the current max position players I have in terms of time are:
Forward: Steven Stamkos (6.6% impact)
Defense: Ryan Suter (6.9% impact)
Goalie: Sergei Bobrovsky (7.0% impact)

Please note that these impact figures are used as a run-rate for the entire season. So if a player (like Mike Fischer for example) is expected to be injured for part of the season, his actual per game impact will be much higher than the season impact used to calculate the standings below.

Once I have the individual impact for each player, I can then multiply that by their projected score, which I discuss in great detail here:

http://www.proformahockey.com/#!about/c20r9

The result is a raw value for that team. Before ranking the teams on that raw value, I make two other adjustments.
1. I adjust for schedule differences for the season. This impact is minimal and only has a significant change if one team is leaps and bounds better (or worse) that the rest of its division

2. I adjust for “new players” that come into the NHL. I have a three way method of rating prospects.
a. First is by their potential. Their score here resembles what I think the player’s best season will look like as an NHLer
b. Second is by the expected contribution on Day 1 in the NHL. I cap this number between 50 and 60 relative to what their potential score is. Prospects, and especially new defenders typically perform poorly in their first season (see Reilly or Jones last year), so this adjustment tempers the potential rating expected a few years later
c. Third is the expected contribution on Day 1 in the NHL adjusted for ice time expectations. In a vacuum, all new players would have their “B” score above.

However, some new players will be given significant ice time. Historically new players who are given significant ice time tend to perform a bit better than those new players that get expected ice time. This adjustment accounts for that. A good example would be what happened in Tampa last year with Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat as you’ll see below.

Last Season’s predictions

I went back and used my model to predict how last season would turn out based on the roster’s the teams had at the end of September. I then looked at old stories about expected lineups/injuries to figure out the expected ice times. The result was as follows:

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As you can see the biggest surprises in the West were Vancouver, Edmonton, Anaheim and Colorado. The biggest surprises in the East were Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Buffalo and Philadelphia. Below I’ll attempt to reconcile those differences

Vancouver: Biggest impact was the Sedin’s and Burrows’ play. The Sedin’s played ~20% worse than expected and Burrows ~30% worse. The rest of the team generally played as expected with some offsets (Kassian a bit better versus Kesler a bit worse). If I had known the Sedins/Burrows final score the Canucks would have shown up 11th in the West.

Edmonton: Biggest impacts were Dubnyk, Nick Schultz and Belov. Schultz and Dubnyk both played worse than 25% of their expectations and if I had known their scores, Edmonton would’ve placed 11th in the West. Smyth and Yakupov had poor seasons too, but the impact was not as severe.

Anaheim: Big positive surprise with Getzlaf. He performed 30% better than expectations (he had been trending downward until a revival in the 2013 season) and had his score been known prior, the Ducks would have propelled to 4th in the West – just from Getzlaf alone! The rest of the team played close to expectations, with Lovejoy and Bonino having very strong, but not as impactful, seasons.

Colorado: This is the team that didn’t have one player screw up the rankings. Erik Johnson probably would be closest, as his performance was 28% better than expectations (his best season by far), but incorporating that score only moves the team up to 10th place. The rest of boost all came from incremental improvements from the rest of the team. Parenteau, Duchene, O’Reilly, Landeskog, Stastny, even John Mitchell all had small improvements in rating. However, unlike other teams there weren’t any players to offset those incremental gains. In fact, only Ryan Wilson had a poor year last year compared to expectations, but he only played a handful of games.

Ottawa: Biggest problems were Phillips (36% underperformance ), Michalek (18% underperformance), and to an extent Wiercoich (27% underperformance). Adjusting Phillips alone, brings down Ottawa to 12th in the East. He is probably the most important player for any team’s deviation from expectations last season. Ottawa also didn’t have any players significantly outperform. Cowen and Turris were the only ones that came close.

Tampa Bay: Tampa Bay should look worse that it shows. The expectations shown in the list above assumed Stamkos would be healthy all season and St.Louis wouldn’t be traded. Tampa Bay’s listing is also inched higher because of the “new player adjustment” factor I described above regarding players like Johnson and Palat. However, the biggest reason for the mismatch is Bishop. He performed 20% better than expectations and is the reason why Tampa did so well (also illustrated how poorly they did when he was injured). He was essentially the anti-Chris Phillips for the Lightning.

Buffalo: They were the worst team in the league, so at number 10 they still look high to most. The expectation includes a full season of Vanek, but even if you replace him with Moulson, the impact doesn’t change dramatically. Buffalo essentially was the anti-Colorado. No players drastically underperformed, but it was more than all the players incrementally performed a bit worse than expectations and there were no “positive-playing” players to offset that. McBain was really the only player who played significantly better than expectations.

Philadelphia: The Flyers are by far the biggest mystery to me. There was no standout player to attribute to their success. In fact most of the players played a bit below expectations. Mason, Streit, Raffl and Brayden Schenn were the only players to perform better than 10% of projections. And even if I use the exact rating for each player from last season, Philly still ends up 14th in the East, whereas when I adjust for every other team, the standing is reflected fairly accurately. It is true that at one point the Flyers did have a terrible record, but to turnaround without too many significant changes to the roster (besides MacDonald) still baffles me. As you’ll see in my projections for next season, I have Philly low again, because I cannot reconcile using numbers to why they will be in the playoffs.

This season’s projections(Note: Updated for current injuries like Staal and Stepan)

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As you can see, the big surprises last season are typically the big surprises I went over last season. In the West, they are Vancouver and Colorado. And in the East, they are Washington, Carolina and Philadelphia.

Vancouver: If you read my description above on the rating system, you will see that I am believer in an adjusted form of reversion to the norm. I’ve adjusted the Sedins’ and Burrow’s scores to reflect their poor performance last season, but until they have consistent figures at that rate, their rating will still weigh more to their previous season’s success. As a result, Vancouver should still be a playoff team. Kesler has never scored well using my system, so replacing him with Bonino is not impactful. Replacing Garrison with Sbisa did have some impact as Garrison is expected to perform at a much higher level.

Colorado: As mentioned with Vancouver, this is another case of reversion to the mean. In general, the player’s expectation ratings increased relative to last season, but not so much as to outweigh the ratings from seasons before. Erik Johnson is the big player that’s impacted. Also, although Iginla over Parenteau is a slight upgrade, Briere over Stastny is a big downgrade. Colorado also has the third worst schedule impact (after Nashville and Winnipeg).

Washington: Despite, the criticism regarding how much money was paid for Niskanen and Orpik, both do add significantly to Washington’s defense. The numbers still show that Holtby is one of the most underrated goalies in the league, and while the offense is weak after Ovechkin, the defense, especially after the edition of Trotz (qualitatively speaking), will makes up for that fact. The team reminds me of Nashville in 2008.

Carolina: A lot of people seem to think that Carolina will be one of the worst teams this upcoming season. They didn’t make a lot of changes during the offseason, and their performance last year was below average. Like Holtby, Khudobin’s numbers point him as one of the most underrated goaltenders. If Cam Ward gets most of the starts, I think Carolina won’t perform as well. The defense is fairly average – there isn’t a star, but there isn’t a guy who will bring the pack down either. The offense is the most interesting story. The numbers show that Carolina’s top five (Staals, Tlustly, Semin and Skinner) are actually one of the most potent group of forwards in the NHL. The problem lies with the depth after that. Carolina’s team has enough to be in the playoffs compared to some of the other teams in the East, but would probably be the first team eliminated.

Philadelphia: Like last year’s projections, Philadelphia shows up near the bottom of the conference. They didn’t make a ton of changes in the offseason (Umberger for Hartnell, added Del Zotto), so maybe this year we will see the real Flyers according to the numbers? Steve Mason’s play will be the biggest factor.
 
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Ail

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These are sensible predictions and for the most part follow my own thoughts, for the Eastern conference specifically.

Nice work, and I am sure there will be angry fans of certain teams here shortly to tell you those rankings are ridiculous.
 

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I'm curious where the drop for Toronto came in? It seems that we've improved as a team but our "score" in your system is .5 lower. Granted that's not a lot, but I'd have expected it to go up.

I'm also interested in Buffalo's number given that they didn't really improve their skaters (aside from being a year older) and seem to have downgraded from Miller to Enroth/Neuvirth (especially given how dominant Miller was prior to the trade)
 

charlie1

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Yeah not sure why the Islanders would drop this year since they upgraded their goalie and offense.
 

Grandpabuzz

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I'm curious where the drop for Toronto came in? It seems that we've improved as a team but our "score" in your system is .5 lower. Granted that's not a lot, but I'd have expected it to go up.

I'm also interested in Buffalo's number given that they didn't really improve their skaters (aside from being a year older) and seem to have downgraded from Miller to Enroth/Neuvirth (especially given how dominant Miller was prior to the trade)

Toronto made a lot of lateral moves in terms of effectiveness (not necessarily in terms of style). Gunnarsson = Polak, Kulemin = Booth, Winnik = McClement as examples and the impact players that performed above expectations last year (Bozak and Gardiner) were offset by impact players that performed below expectations (Lupul and Clarkson). Using reversion to the mean (but still accounting for what happened last season) makes the Leafs a similar team to what they were last year (again in terms of effectiveness). The slight drop is because Bernier played way above expectations (was the fourth best goaltender last year after Rask, Price and Varlamov) compared to his previous performances.

In terms of Buffalo, Miller had an average effectiveness and Enroth has historically only been slightly less effective than Miller (last season he was a little more than slightly however). So goaltending was the big impetus. What changed was basically adding "four" productive new players in Moulson, Gionta, Reinhart (assuming he plays) and Stewart in replacement of Vanek. Stewart, despite the inconsistent criticism he gets, is actually very efficient with the time he's given every season. Their defense is pretty solid as well and Gorges is actually a slight upgrade to Ehrhoff (still mad he declined to go to the leafs).

Yeah not sure why the Islanders would drop this year since they upgraded their goalie and offense.

Goalie-wise yes a big improvement. Moulson for Grabovski and Kulemin was probably incrementally positive (less time for players like Boulton to play), but losing MacDonald means more time for players like Donovan or Strait or Carkner. That is a a significant setback. If one of those players has a breakout year, that will help, but generally the Islander's depth of players (both on offense and defense) is very mediocre, and besides Tavares, there isn't a hugely effective top-six lineup (like Carolina has) to mask the lack of depth. Lee, Strome, or Nelson hasn't shown anything significant (numbers-wise in majors and minors) to change that, and that makes Grabner probably the second most effective forward on the team.
 

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Interested in how Ottawa got worse. We did lose spezza who was pretty bad if you use advanced stats. The Mac-Turris-Ryan line will be getting more ice time well probably still facing the same QOC. I also thought the Senators were hampered by taking an unsubstantial amount of pks. I just think its difficult to predict the senators ice time. Last year Spezza started out as the number 1 center well turris finished the season as the number 1 center. Expect Turris' 18 and a half minutes per night as well as ryan's and MacArthurs to increase.

The 2012-13 Senators were greatly over rated. I'm surprised to see them ranked so highly when you consider they relied almost solely on fantastic goaltending
 
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charlie1

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Goalie-wise yes a big improvement. Moulson for Grabovski and Kulemin was probably incrementally positive (less time for players like Boulton to play), but losing MacDonald means more time for players like Donovan or Strait or Carkner. That is a a significant setback. If one of those players has a breakout year, that will help, but generally the Islander's depth of players (both on offense and defense) is very mediocre, and besides Tavares, there isn't a hugely effective top-six lineup (like Carolina has) to mask the lack of depth. Lee, Strome, or Nelson hasn't shown anything significant (numbers-wise in majors and minors) to change that, and that makes Grabner probably the second most effective forward on the team.

Not sure where the Advanced Stats come in since (according to your link) your player evaluation system is proprietary. But Amac was a corsi disaster, while Donovan is a corsi darling, and Grabo had one of the best corsi rel on WSH (and his controlled zone entrys are ~80%). Nelson and Lee have higher CF% than PMB and Regin, and a higher G/60 and P/60.

If you share your methods I might be able to understand how you came to your conclusions.
 

Grandpabuzz

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Interested in how Ottawa got worse. We did lose spezza who was pretty bad if you use advanced stats. The Mac-Turris-Ryan line will be getting more ice time well probably still facing the same QOC. I also thought the Senators were hampered by taking an unsubstantial amount of pks. I just think its difficult to predict the senators ice time. Last year Spezza started out as the number 1 center well turris finished the season as the number 1 center. Expect Turris' 18 and a half minutes per night as well as ryan's and MacArthurs to increase.

The 2012-13 Senators were greatly over rated. I'm surprised to see them ranked so highly when you consider they relied almost solely on fantastic goaltending

Phillips and Michalek (especially Phillips) were expected to be much better than they performed. This year, Phillips' score has been adjusted and Spezza leaving hurt the overall average significantly (Chiasson is a big downgrade). Anderson definitely benefited from his great 12-13 season, but that was not the major factor in the predictions for last season.

Exact ice time when looking a just a couple of minutes won't impact the model that much. Just getting the jist of what to expect (Ryan will play more than Chris Neil) is good enough.

Not sure where the Advanced Stats come in since (according to your link) your player evaluation system is proprietary. But Amac was a corsi disaster, while Donovan is a corsi darling, and Grabo had one of the best corsi rel on WSH (and his controlled zone entrys are ~80%). Nelson and Lee have higher CF% than PMB and Regin, and a higher G/60 and P/60.

If you share your methods I might be able to understand how you came to your conclusions.

My system relies on actual contribution to a team's win, whereas Corsi and other metrics focuses more on shots and the other stuff like possession. While it's useful, a player can have great possession, but if he can't figure a way to score a goal or makes mistakes stopping opposing goals, his team will still lose. My system is like an advanced plus/minus that only takes into consideration the events that happened when a goal is scored on a per minute basis.

You'll probably disagree, but from my model, this was how it rank's New York's defense last year (over 600 minutes played)

1st Pairing Equivalent
Hamonic

2nd Pairing Equivalent
Hickey
De Haan
MacDonald

3rd Pairing Equivalent
None

Not suitable for NHL
Donovan
Strait
Carkner

This compares to expectations coming into the 13-14 season of:

1st Pairing Equivalent
MacDonald
Visnovsky

2nd Pairing Equivalent
Hamonic
Martinek

3rd Pairing Equivalent
Hickey
De Haan
Donovan
Ness
Czuczman


Not suitable for NHL
Strait
Carkner
 

charlie1

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Phillips and Michalek (especially Phillips) were expected to be much better than they performed. This year, Phillips' score has been adjusted and Spezza leaving hurt the overall average significantly (Chiasson is a big downgrade). Anderson definitely benefited from his great 12-13 season, but that was not the major factor in the predictions for last season.

Exact ice time when looking a just a couple of minutes won't impact the model that much. Just getting the jist of what to expect (Ryan will play more than Chris Neil) is good enough.



My system relies on actual contribution to a team's win, whereas Corsi and other metrics focuses more on shots and the other stuff like possession. While it's useful, a player can have great possession, but if he can't figure a way to score a goal or makes mistakes stopping opposing goals, his team will still lose. My system is like an advanced plus/minus that only takes into consideration the events that happened when a goal is scored on a per minute basis.

You'll probably disagree, but from my model, this was how it rank's New York's defense last year (over 600 minutes played)

1st Pairing Equivalent
Hamonic

2nd Pairing Equivalent
Hickey
De Haan
MacDonald

3rd Pairing Equivalent
None

Not suitable for NHL
Donovan
Strait
Carkner

This compares to expectations coming into the 13-14 season of:

1st Pairing Equivalent
MacDonald
Visnovsky

2nd Pairing Equivalent
Hamonic
Martinek

3rd Pairing Equivalent
Hickey
De Haan
Donovan
Ness
Czuczman


Not suitable for NHL
Strait
Carkner

How did you have Czuczman prior to the 13/14 season? He signed as a free agent in March.
 

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I also appreciate the effort you put into this. It was well written. But I have to take umbrage with the methodology and predictions.

The Vancouver Canucks will never finish 4th in the Western Conference. That prediction is ludicrous.

Their top players are 34 years old and one of them inst really effective 5 on 5 anymore. I just dont understand how you take a pair of ever slowing Sedins and just 'predict' they will finish 4th .

What i noticed is when your predictions go woefully wrong (and last years predictions did in fact) ...........you then spin to injuries and whatnot to justify why your theory did not pan out.

You cant use advance stats to predict anything. If you could.............we would all go to vegas now wouldnt we?
 

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You cant use advance stats to predict anything. If you could.............we would all go to vegas now wouldnt we?

Actually, you can predict to an amount roughly equal to the house edge with advanced analytics.

And all sorts of people in Vegas use advanced analytics, including the casinos. You really think that an industry that lives on squeezing every penny possible wouldn't be using predictive analytics?
 

Grandpabuzz

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I also appreciate the effort you put into this. It was well written. But I have to take umbrage with the methodology and predictions.

The Vancouver Canucks will never finish 4th in the Western Conference. That prediction is ludicrous.

Their top players are 34 years old and one of them inst really effective 5 on 5 anymore. I just dont understand how you take a pair of ever slowing Sedins and just 'predict' they will finish 4th .

What i noticed is when your predictions go woefully wrong (and last years predictions did in fact) ...........you then spin to injuries and whatnot to justify why your theory did not pan out.

You cant use advance stats to predict anything. If you could.............we would all go to vegas now wouldnt we?

No, it won't be accurate, but it at least gives some logic behind a team's expectations and can be used to reference if that team outperformed, underperformed, have players that need betters contracts, etc.
 
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I also appreciate the effort you put into this. It was well written. But I have to take umbrage with the methodology and predictions.

The Vancouver Canucks will never finish 4th in the Western Conference. That prediction is ludicrous.

Their top players are 34 years old and one of them inst really effective 5 on 5 anymore. I just dont understand how you take a pair of ever slowing Sedins and just 'predict' they will finish 4th .

What i noticed is when your predictions go woefully wrong (and last years predictions did in fact) ...........you then spin to injuries and whatnot to justify why your theory did not pan out.

You cant use advance stats to predict anything. If you could.............we would all go to vegas now wouldnt we?
Actually if you look at the Western projections last year you can pretty much just flip Anaheim and Vancouver and the list looks very much the same as the final results. Remember that the Canucks were still a contending team in the West before the New Year, and Anaheim got off to an amazing start and then finished strong as they normally do. Realistically, Vancouver finished weak and Anaheim started strong, which is the largest disparity in the data.

Edit: forgot about Colorado too, who obviously had a really bizarre season. I think this year will be more telling of the true Colorado Avalanche.
 

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While I do think Islanders will do better than that I appreciate your efforts and do think it looks good otherwise.
 

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I'm having a hard time seeing where the advanced stats come in. It seems like the value of a player your algorithm spits out is wildly inaccurate and then you combine that with your estimation of the players ice time and then come up with a team value.

Browsing a few teams the Pro Forma Rating of players seems to be completely off. Just taking Anaheim:

Getlzaf: 55.6
Perry: 65.5
Cogliano: 55.5
Selänne: 62.1
Perrault: 62.2

It doesn't seem to be a algorithm that is all that good at capturing the value of a player and if you have to manually adjust it for "significantly recent player events" you introduce a layer of bias.
 

Grandpabuzz

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I'm having a hard time seeing where the advanced stats come in. It seems like the value of a player your algorithm spits out is wildly inaccurate and then you combine that with your estimation of the players ice time and then come up with a team value.

Browsing a few teams the Pro Forma Rating of players seems to be completely off. Just taking Anaheim:

Getlzaf: 55.6
Perry: 65.5
Cogliano: 55.5
Selänne: 62.1
Perrault: 62.2

It doesn't seem to be a algorithm that is all that good at capturing the value of a player and if you have to manually adjust it for "significantly recent player events" you introduce a layer of bias.

Those ratings are from before last season ("Team pro forma ratings are NOT updated for current 2013-2014 season"). I'm working on updating those.

I'm not sure why you say its inaccurate. These are straight statistics for each player put together in math formulas to given a comparison of actual per minute productivity. Perreault is not necessarily a better player than Getzlaf using brute force ability to score or defend, but given the way Perreault is used relative to Getzlaf, Perreault performs better at his role.

"Recent player events" means layering in the previous season. That's why Anaheim performed better than expected this season. Getzlaf production per minute had not been spectacular for the past few seasons. Then last season he a top forward in the NHL, and as a result his minutes from 2013-2014 would be layered to his historical rating. The only other way the player rating gets altered is if a player over the past two seasons has seen a significant variance from his historical rating, he will be re-rated to only include a more recent historical time period. An example of this would be Dany Heatley.

For your reference, below are those Duck player ratings up to the 2013-2014 season, rating during the 2013-2014 season and rating after the 2013-2014 season

Player | Rating prior to 13-14 | Rating during 13-14 | Rating after 13-14
Getzlaf | 55.6 | 71.7 | 60.2
Perry | 65.5 | 77.8 | 67.4
Cogliano | 55.6 | 58.7 | 55.2
Selanne | 62.1 | 47.8 | 55.3
Perreault | 62.2 | 63.0 | 62.4

Perry and especially Getzlaf performed way better than expectations. And like I mentioned in the original post, Getzlaf was the reason why Anaheim performed the way they did this year.

Cogliano and Perreault were consistent with historical production. Perreault is one of the most underrated forwards out there, given how every year he's played, he has scored above 60.

Selanne is a "Dany Heatley" example. He had two poor years in a row and is now re-rated to reflect that (granted he retired).

You are right that I use the player values multiplied by ice time to build-out (under the confines of a position's importance to a game) the team's value.
 

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I can't really understand how the Leafs dropped and why they would be so low. I think that the Leafs would only need to add a 1C and a 1D that can help Phaneuf drop his minutes (maybe Polak or Robidas) and they would become a contender.
 

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I can't really understand how the Leafs dropped and why they would be so low. I think that the Leafs would only need to add a 1C and a 1D that can help Phaneuf drop his minutes (maybe Polak or Robidas) and they would become a contender.

Already mentioned about the leafs above. What makes Polak taking minutes from Phaneuf different than what Gunnarsson did last year?

Again the forward moves they've added have been generally lateral, and you have to hope that Bernier has a stellar year (like he did last year).

I will post an update tomorrow regarding the Islanders transactions and some of the new line-up expectations (my file is saved on a different computer).
 

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Actually, you can predict to an amount roughly equal to the house edge with advanced analytics.

And all sorts of people in Vegas use advanced analytics, including the casinos. You really think that an industry that lives on squeezing every penny possible wouldn't be using predictive analytics?

What you say is true in an overall context but for Hockey these measures are less effective than say for football in a game by game or season by season basis due to how one can isolate certain factors in football and hockey is a much more fluid game that can't be broken down as easily or as effectively.
 

Doctor No

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What you say is true in an overall context but for Hockey these measures are less effective than say for football in a game by game or season by season basis due to how one can isolate certain factors in football and hockey is a much more fluid game that can't be broken down as easily or as effectively.

Depends on what you're using, I guess.

The people making money with this stuff sure aren't sharing.
 

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Already mentioned about the leafs above. What makes Polak taking minutes from Phaneuf different than what Gunnarsson did last year?

Again the forward moves they've added have been generally lateral, and you have to hope that Bernier has a stellar year (like he did last year).

The difference is that Polak is a rock defensively. He's much more physical than Gunnarson and better defensively. Also, the addition of Robidas and the maturation of Gardiner and possibly Rielly will help lighten the load on Phaneuf. I don't really expect Bernier to be the saviour he was last year, but if he can deliver a solid year of .915 SV% and 2.40 GAA, it would greatly increase the Leafs' playoff chances. The Leafs won't give up 35+ shots per game like they did last year, so they won't need a spectacular goaltending performance every game. The PK could be a problem again this year, with the loss of McClement, Kulemin and Gunnarsson, but this year they have Santorelli, Kozun, Polak and Robidas.
 

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