Proposal: MTL-SJ

[Lockin17]

Montreal fans, how much would Sharks need to add to get the 5th overall?

Is this even close enough? If not I would like hear what to add.
It's all for fun not to be taken personally, as armchair GM don't block my number yet

SJ gets 5th overall + Justin Barron
MTL gets 14th overall, Kasper Halttunen, Thomas Bordeleau and Vitek Vanecek.

San Jose will draft a defencemen with that 5th overall + Barron as another defencemen to the system.

Montreal will likely get to draft a very good forward prospect with that 14th overall (Good forwards are dropping since the defence logjam in top 10) + they get Halttunen (playing in the OHL finals, had a hat-trick and is a certified sniper), Thomas Bordeleau (Has taken good steps forward to his potential, Montreal kid) and Vanecek is a wild card (he has potential imo)

That's going to hurt a lot more if you want #5

SJ gets 5th overall + Justin Barron
MTL gets 14th overall + Quentin Musty + #33

 

[Habs Halifax]

All the Habs can do is dangle the Jets 1st with adds on top to see if any team would be interested in trading down.

I'd make the offer more deeper though. Lots of teams likely still say no but this is the best we can do in terms of moving up with the Jets 1st+. Depends on if teams like what they see at 12-18 range or if they think they can still hit with the 24-27 range.

* Jets 1st (24-27 range).

* Mesar. Recent late 1st who had a solid D+2. Projects into a middle 6F IMO. Habs just have too many of these types.

* Avs 2nd.

* Young NHL depth pieces. Harris, Ylonen, Farrell.

 

[Lockin17]

All the Habs can do is dangle the Jets 1st with adds on top to see if any team would be interested in trading down.

I'd make the offer more deeper though. Lots of teams likely still say no but this is the best we can do in terms of moving up with the Jets 1st+. Depends on if teams like what they see at 12-18 range or if they think they can still hit with the 24-27 range.

* Jets 1st (24-27 range).

* Mesar. Recent late 1st who had a solid D+2. Projects into a middle 6F IMO. Habs just have too many of these types.

* Avs 2nd.

* Young NHL depth pieces. Harris, Ylonen, Farrell.

Selling low on Mesar would be a mistake, the kid as great potential.
I would put on the table RHP instead of Mesar
But i see your point.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Selling low on Mesar would be a mistake, the kid as great potential.
I would put on the table RHP instead of Mesar
But i see your point.

Yes, he has potential but in order to make the teams from 12-18 range think, you have to dangle something for them. Otherwise, it's a quick conversation and you are drafting 24-27th.

Jets 1st and Mesar with other adds makes teams think. That's the best approach IMO.

 

[Mersss]

I could see them trading 14+42 to move up 4-5 spots. They’re not trading what is essentially another late 1st to move up 4 spots.

Aint happening then. Huge cliff in talent after 10-11

 

[General Fanager]

that is one of the worst d-core in the nhl.
does it have potential? sure.

but right now telling us mtl needs to trade d's because you have too many nhl level d's is simply not true. every playoff team has a better d-core.

yes it is. They have guys that are waiver eligible so they will have to go cause there isn't room for them all.

Also calling them bad is just silly. They are young for sure but they have the potential to be one of the better D-cores in the league.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

That's going to hurt a lot more if you want #5

SJ gets 5th overall + Justin Barron
MTL gets 14th overall + Quentin Musty + #33

Tantamount to 3 first rounders?? (with a prospect who has increased his stock as well this year?) I think if we offered that package around the NHL it'd have most teams biting better than a high pick and a bang average prospect - you could partially rebuild your prospect pool with those 3 selections.

Much better value for Sharks to simply pick at 14, I'm fairly sure.

 

[Lockin17]

Yes, he has potential but in order to make the teams from 12-18 range think, you have to dangle something for them. Otherwise, it's a quick conversation and you are drafting 24-27th.

Jets 1st and Mesar with other adds makes teams think. That's the best approach IMO.

IF a player Hughes really want is available then yes i guess you have to overpay a bit.

 

[TBF1972]

yes it is. They have guys that are waiver eligible so they will have to go cause there isn't room for them all.

Also calling them bad is just silly. They are young for sure but they have the potential to be one of the better D-cores in the league.

as a d-core it is bad. it is in the bottom 10 i would say.

a lot of young players obviously means they can grow. but right now it is not a good unit.

 

[Lockin17]

Tantamount to 3 first rounders?? (with a prospect who has increased his stock as well this year?) I think if we offered that package around the NHL it'd have most teams biting better than a high pick and a bang average prospect - you could partially rebuild your prospect pool with those 3 selections.

Much better value for Sharks to simply pick at 14, I'm fairly sure.

i agree with you.

 

[WSS11]

Aint happening then. Huge cliff in talent after 10-11

That’s fine. I’d probably do it if Buium or Dickinson is available at 7. Otherwise, I’d be good taking Sennecke or MBN at 14 and keeping the early 2nds we have.

 

[Juxtaposer]

He almost certainly won't hit waivers, though. He isn't worth the difference between picks 14 and 27, of course, but I expect he'll either get a chance in Montreal or be moved to a team that expects to give him 60+ games and every chance to at least be a 3d pairing PP specialist, and hopefully work on his defensive consistency.

So are the Habs going to just run with 8D on the roster then? I just don’t think Barron is the sort of player who you let affect your roster player. I feel like we’ve all agreed that Bordeleau is approximately his equal in value, and I certainly wouldn’t shed a tear if we were to lose him on waivers.

 

[TBF1972]

So are the Habs going to just run with 8D on the roster then? I just don’t think Barron is the sort of player who you let affect your roster player. I feel like we’ve all agreed that Bordeleau is approximately his equal in value, and I certainly wouldn’t shed a tear if we were to lose him on waivers.

your lack of empathy is disgusting

 

[pth2]

So are the Habs going to just run with 8D on the roster then? I just don’t think Barron is the sort of player who you let affect your roster player. I feel like we’ve all agreed that Bordeleau is approximately his equal in value, and I certainly wouldn’t shed a tear if we were to lose him on waivers.

Keep in mind the Habs brass traded for Barron, so they had to see high potential in him.

I expect he'll get a fair number of games while Reinbacher and Mailloux keep developping in the AHL. At some point, someone will get injured or traded, and then the other kids will get chances and Montreal will need to decide who to keep.

Also, keep in mind both Kovacevic and Savard are UFAs in a year, so pretty soon Barron will be the most experienced RD in the organisation (yes, Guhle can play RD, but that's not a long-term solution), so I expect Barron doesn't get lost to waivers, even if it means running 8D or sending some guys who could play in the NHL back to the AHL.

The real crunch is on LD, not RD. Which is why I think Harris is more likely to get moved, even though his ceiling is lower (EDIT: his floor is higher than Barron's, though).

 

[Garbageyuk]

do you expect any non mtl fans to be impressed by this list of names?

Well, considering that you seem to be really impressed with Mukhamadullin, who projects worse than half the guys on that list, I’d say yeah you should be. Isn’t Muk your best D prospect by far? Mailloux for example, is better. And Mailloux doesn’t project to ever be anywhere close to being our best D.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Well, considering that you seem to be really impressed with Mukhamadullin, who projects worse than half the guys on that list, I’d say yeah you should be. Isn’t Muk your best D prospect by far? Mailloux for example, is better. And Mailloux doesn’t project to ever be anywhere close to being our best D.

Whose projection?

 

[Garbageyuk]

Whose projection?

Are you going to try to argue Muk over Mailloux? Based on what? There’s nothing to go on for you there, really. They’re pretty close, but I’d give the slight edge to Mailloux.

 

[Xirik]

Are you going to try to argue Muk over Mailloux? Based on what? There’s nothing to go on for you there, really. They’re pretty close, but I’d give the slight edge to Mailloux.

I wonder why.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Well, considering that you seem to be really impressed with Mukhamadullin, who projects worse than half the guys on that list, I’d say yeah you should be. Isn’t Muk your best D prospect by far? Mailloux for example, is better. And Mailloux doesn’t project to ever be anywhere close to being our best D.

Which ones project better than Muk? Let's see the names you list and some reasons.

You realize you are the one who started this thread, and not one non-MTL fan has agreed with it as a premise.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Are you going to try to argue Muk over Mailloux? Based on what? There’s nothing to go on for you there, really. They’re pretty close, but I’d give the slight edge to Mailloux.

Just asked whose projection that’s all.

 

[Garbageyuk]

I wonder why.

And I wonder why you’d think the opposite, hmm .

Mailloux has posted slightly better numbers, is a better and faster skater, and is bigger. Thats why. Like I said, they’re pretty close, but slight edge to Mailloux, for the reasons stated.

 

[Xirik]

And I wonder why you’d think the opposite, hmm .

Mailloux has posted slightly better numbers, is a better and faster skater, and is bigger. Thats why. Like I said, they’re pretty close, but slight edge to Mailloux, for the reasons stated.

Mailloux does weight more I will give you that, Muk has a better PPG though also doesn't commit as many penalties.

I get nothing out of talking about Muk, The trade already happened and if I wanted I could trash him all I want now but I don't because he's a good player

 

[Garbageyuk]

Mailloux does weight more I will give you that, Muk has a better PPG though also doesn't commit as many penalties.

I get nothing out of talking about Muk, The trade already happened and if I wanted I could trash him all I want now but I don't because he's a good player

Mukhamadullin does not in fact have a higher points per game; might want to brush up on your basic math skills. And PIMs are overall a good thing here - Mailloux isn’t afraid to get physical and mix it up. He’s not like Xhekaj where he’s just reckless and takes dumb penalties a lot. Although Xhekaj has largely fixed that since coming back up to the NHL. Muk on the other hand avoids contact, due to weighing 178 lb at 6’4”

 

[CanadienShark]

That's going to hurt a lot more if you want #5

SJ gets 5th overall + Justin Barron
MTL gets 14th overall + Quentin Musty + #33

No dice from San Jose. Musty isn't for sale right now. I'm not sure this is really the right move for the Habs either.

 

[Xirik]

Mukhamadullin does not in fact have a higher points per game; might want to brush up on your basic math skills. And PIMs are overall a good thing here - Mailloux isn’t afraid to get physical and mix it up. He’s not like Xhekaj where he’s just reckless and takes dumb penalties a lot. Although Xhekaj has largely fixed that since coming back up to the NHL. Muk on the other hand avoids contact, due to weighing 178 lb at 6’4”

PPG It is calculated by dividing the total number of points by number of games

Mailloux 72 divided by 47 is 1.53

Muk 55 divided by 34 is 1.61

Where am I Mathing wrong?