Confirmed with Link: [MTL/PHI] Nate Thompson to Philly for 2021 5th Round Pick

[Adam Michaels]

It's a 2021 5th.

 

[ahmedou]

No shummy dance anymore...

 

[JackZap]

I dont get why Bergie doesnt deal our two power play specialists in Weal and Cousins. You would think he could get a lot for any team trying to upgrade their PP

 

[Whitesnake]

5th in 2021. We acquired him for a 4th. Oh no...even in trades that means nothing, Bergie can actually lose? Can't believe it. lol

 

[mariolemieux66]

Giroux and Thompson on faceoff, Philadelphia wont lose too many.

 

[Kriss E]

I just don't see the point in this. Good vet who slots on the 4th line. Keep him there.

 

[walsy37]

what if he said he wanted to go to free agency? some people will complain about anything.

I would have still kept him. In the last decade, too many times we lost face-offs and the blood pressure went up. He was good at that and helped the team. Yes, bad for the tank, but good for the blood pressure.

Thompson was one of the worst forwards in the NHL in terms of impact

I believe his impact was much greater than whatever stat you point to because of the face-offs.

 

[calder candidate]

Kind underwhelming after the 2nd for Scandella... we have so many 3/4/5 round pick couldn’t we package Thomson with picks to move down instead of getting a other 5th...

 

[26Mats]

Finally, now Bargainbin can call it a day and hit the gym!!

Take that 2nd, 3rd, and 5th we got for Thompson, Kovy, and Scandella and go get Anesthiou - throw in Lehkonen if need be.

 

[Habs]

Don't worry guys, Bergy has got this.

 

[JennyHockey]

we spent a 4th for him , we got a 5th

 

[26Mats]

Kind underwhelming after the 2nd for Scandella... we have so many 3/4/5 round pick couldn’t we package Thomson with picks to move down instead of getting a other 5th...

Kind underwhelming after the 2nd for Scandella... we have so many 3/4/5 round pick couldn’t we package Thomson with picks to move down instead of getting a other 5th...

The market is all over the place. IMO Thompson this year is better than Plekanec was when we traded him to the Leafs. But Pleks got a 2nd plus two B/C prospects - one of whom turned into Kulak. And Thompson got us a 5th. It is what it is.

 

[26Mats]

we spent a 4th for him , we got a 5th

Actually we traded to LA a mid 4th for Thompson and an early 5th.

Nate Thompson trades - NHL Trade Tracker

 

[Kairi Zaide]

I would have still kept him. In the last decade, too many times we lost face-offs and the blood pressure went up. He was good at that and helped the team. Yes, bad for the tank, but good for the blood pressure.



I believe his impact was much greater than whatever stat you point to because of the face-offs.

Being good at faceoffs has literally little to no impact on winning games because it's nothing more than a slightly biased coin toss, and very little goals are scored directly off a faceoff win

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I’m sick of accumulating all these picks that are ultimately worthless because we suck at drafting. Either sell off actual talent and get a first round pick or get outta here.

 

[walsy37]

Being good at faceoffs has literally little to no impact on winning games because it's nothing more than a slightly biased coin toss, and very little goals are scored directly off a faceoff win

Zone time happens. you lose a defensive faceoff and spend 45 seconds in your own zone with pressure, your D gets tired and that impacts.... Same the other way.

 

[DangerDave]

That's it for the day folks

 

[MSSLYNX]

Being good at faceoffs has literally little to no impact on winning games because it's nothing more than a slightly biased coin toss, and very little goals are scored directly off a faceoff win

Disagree.

 

[The Great Weal]

5th in 2021. We acquired him for a 4th. Oh no...even in trades that means nothing, Bergie can actually lose? Can't believe it. lol

we spent a 4th for him , we got a 5th

No we gave up a 4th for him and got 2 5ths back

 

[Tyson]

Habs depleting NHL roster

 

[DAChampion]

These are good trades, but I'm waiting to see who Bergevin picks up to replace these guys on the roster.

IMO, it would be best to leave the Laval prospects in Laval, to compete for a playoff spot.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Zone time happens. you lose a defensive faceoff and spend 45 seconds in your own zone with pressure, your D gets tired and that impacts.... Same the other way.

There's almost no correlation (aka it's not significan) between shooting metrics (aka what we use as possession metrics for the time being) and faceoff wins. Or just g±/60 and faceoffs. Or wins and faceoffs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Thank god it is a 2021 5th... I only have room for 13 draft spots in my excel draft evaluation set up for each draft

 

[Habs Halifax]

These are good trades, but I'm waiting to see who Bergevin picks up to replace these guys on the roster.

IMO, it would be best to leave the Laval prospects in Laval, to compete for a playoff spot.

I was thinking about that too.... Laval can't be depleted again

 

[walsy37]

There's almost no correlation (aka it's not significan) between shooting metrics (aka what we use as possession metrics for the time being) and faceoff wins. Or just g±/60 and faceoffs. Or wins and faceoffs.

Given that you can't measure tiredness and its impact on the game, we'll just have to disagree. Zone pressure and zone time also produces momentum shifts, another thing not measurable. So you are absolutely correct that I cannot give you a statistic that measure importance of FO wins but given the statistics of a 5th rounder having a direct impact, I'll guess its pretty close in significance to your disregard for FO wins.