LeBrun: Montreal had chat with Arizona for a 3OA, 5OA swap.
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klamla
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3rd for 5th straight up
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I shouldn't have laughed out loud at that, but I'm ashamed that I did.
Cousin Eddie
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These types of deals generally don't have crazy +'s attached to them.
- Team A knows they're reaching with who they want at 3 so they want to add assets by moving down and still getting their guy.
- Team B knows exactly what team A is trying to accomplish and isn't willing to give a lot because they'll probably agree to almost any deal since it's basically a free asset for them.
- Team A knows they're reaching with who they want at 3 so they want to add assets by moving down and still getting their guy.
- Team B knows exactly what team A is trying to accomplish and isn't willing to give a lot because they'll probably agree to almost any deal since it's basically a free asset for them.
Makes sense considering they want Kotkaniemi. Good chance he's still available at #5 so why not move down and gain an extra pick for doing so. Yotes get to jump over Ottawa and steal Zadina from them.
Problem is everyone probably knows Montreal wants Kotka and thus they wont get a lot of value for moving down. Especially if Arizona is extremely high on Kotka themselves or are high on a guy like Wahlstrom, and are content just to stay at 5 and see how the first 4 picks play out knowing they're guaranteed one of Wahlstrom/Zadina/Kotkaniemi regardless of what happens with picks #2 and #3.
Problem is everyone probably knows Montreal wants Kotka and thus they wont get a lot of value for moving down. Especially if Arizona is extremely high on Kotka themselves or are high on a guy like Wahlstrom, and are content just to stay at 5 and see how the first 4 picks play out knowing they're guaranteed one of Wahlstrom/Zadina/Kotkaniemi regardless of what happens with picks #2 and #3.
i made a 3+ 56 for 5 + domi not long ago and it was totally denied, wich i can understand from a Arizona perspective, its selling low on domi, but it also depends if they are realy high on Zadina...
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of course but it's a 2 spot Jump... You can also skip Ottawa and get the player you actually realy want. like i mentioned above it realy comes down to how high they are on a particular player.
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That's not really how it works. It depends on how bad the Coyotes want Zadina (assuming that's who they are targeting at 3). They can either pony up a good asset to move up and get the player they want, watch the Sens scoop him up, or watch another team come in and trade for 3OV.
Sure they can risk staying put and counting in Zadina falling to 5, but if that were the case, why even make the trade in the first place if you think that's a viable risk.
Its not like the coyotes are the only team interested in moving up either. It would be different if the Coyotes were picking at 4 instead of 5. The Sens are the wildcard that could really screw up Arizona's plans.
I also don't think it's a given that the Habs are taking Kotkaniemi either. From all I've read over the last month or so, it's just as likely that they are looking at a defenceman like Dobson.
Coyotes have Minn 2nd and Carolina, Calgary and their own 2018 3rds. So they have pieces.
5thOA + Minn 2nd
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3rd OA
Just giving a couple recent-ish examples to supplement your post.
In 2008, the Islanders traded #5 to Toronto for #7, #68, and a 2009 2nd. Islanders then traded #7 for #9 and #40.
In 2015, the Devils offered #6 to Columbus for #8, #34, and #129 but the Jackets declined. Going into the draft, I thought Columbus might want to leapfrog Philadelphia at #7 for Provorov but they were targeting Werenski.
In 2007, St. Louis had #9 in what most people thought was a draft with a top tier of 6 or 7. St. Louis wanted Jakub Voracek and offered #9 and #24 to move up, but nobody wanted to move down.
In 2006, Boston offered #5 and #37 to Washington for #4. But since Boston would have taken Nicklas Backstrom at #4, Washington declined the deal. There was similar draft day video in 2009 with Ottawa asking to move up a couple spots with Toronto for Nazem Kadri.
I'm not sure this is worth more than the Minn 2nd and swap of an AZ 3rd for a Mtl 4th.
EDIT: Just checked Cap Friendly, Montreal already has FOUR 2nd Rd picks and three 4th Rd picks. 9 picks in the first 4 rounds. Doubtful Habs will want another 2nd...so guess the ask would be a player or prospect in addition to 5OA.
Doesn't hurt to have more picks, you can just trade a couple up to move into the first for instance
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I made a post About that and it was my Exact proposal AND everyone told me it was a shitty proposal LMAO
montreal already has 4 2nds. zero incentive to do that. they must be targeting a player on yotes
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Chayka is not going to sacrifice a 23 year old 0.6 PPG winger whom he identified as a "core piece" to move up two spots.
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Depends who initiated the "chat". In 2013, when the Canes approached TB to swap from #5 to #3, the rumored asking price was the #5+Jeff Skinner for the #3. That was the Canes asking though. In this case, if MTL is the ones looking to move down, I would think the price won't be that high.
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