LeBrun: Monahan linked to COL

[pth2]

So apparently Lebrun has linked Sean Monahan to Colorado, and it does make sense as a rental #2 center. Colorado is likely very familiar with Monahan since he's spent more of his career in their conference.

NHL Trade Chatter: Canadiens Monahan Still Linked To Avalanche

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I'm assuming:
-50% retention
-Monahan gets enough games in before the deadline to reassure everyone that he's healthy (though ongoing injury risk is a legit concern).
-Colorado plays well enough that their playoff status doesn't seem to be in doubt.

I'm wondering, what would Colorado offer ? They have no 2nd rounders for the next 2 years, so going for a "conditional pick" approach where the pick goes up in value depending on Monahan staying healthy becomes harder to figure out.

Thoughts ?

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[UrbanImpact]

That aint gonna cut it chief if AVS have any thought of contending this year in Mack's final year on a sweetheart deal.

 

[rumrokh]

So apparently Lebrun has linked Sean Monahan to Colorado, and it does make sense as a rental #2 center. Colorado is likely very familiar with Monahan since he's spent more of his career in their conference.

NHL Trade Chatter: Canadiens Monahan Still Linked To Avalanche

It’s no secret the Montreal Canadiens will be weighing the possibility of moving Sean Monahan at the NHL Trade Deadline, with one team, in particular, continuing to come up in trade chatter. The Colorado Avalanche are looking to get their shopping endeavours moving and don’t necessarily have the...

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I'm assuming:
-50% retention
-Monahan gets enough games in before the deadline to reassure everyone that he's healthy (though ongoing injury risk is a legit concern).
-Colorado plays well enough that their playoff status doesn't seem to be in doubt.

I'm wondering, what would Colorado offer ? They have no 2nd rounders for the next 2 years, so going for a "conditional pick" approach where the pick goes up in value depending on Monahan staying healthy becomes harder to figure out.

Thoughts ?

The first article simply references the second. And the second is not a rumor or link, it's a fantasy speculative fit article. Using the term "linked" is deliberately deceptive. It might happen, but this is not a rumor or an actual link, it's just a dude's trade proposal.

 

[hamzarocks]

Monahan for 3C is a nice add

Need someone better at 2C though with his injuries

If they could add Bennett + Monohan that would be dirty

 

[waitin425]

Colorado had hardly any picks to offer this year. What about something like...

Monahan @50% + 3rd and 4th round pick for Colorado 1st unprotected? They get two picks back to help restock the cupboard a bit.

If they want to keep that first, they don't really have any draft capital until 2025. So if not the first proposal what about...

Monahan @50% for Col 2025 1st (top 16 protection)?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Colorado had hardly any picks to offer this year. What about something like...

Monahan @50% + 3rd and 4th round pick for Colorado 1st unprotected? They get two picks back to help restock the cupboard a bit.

If they want to keep that first, they don't really have any draft capital until 2025. So if not the first proposal what about...

Monahan @50% for Col 2025 1st (top 16 protection)?

No thanks.

 

[JRichard]

Colorado had hardly any picks to offer this year. What about something like...

Monahan @50% + 3rd and 4th round pick for Colorado 1st unprotected? They get two picks back to help restock the cupboard a bit.

If they want to keep that first, they don't really have any draft capital until 2025. So if not the first proposal what about...

Monahan @50% for Col 2025 1st (top 16 protection)?

Wow: restock the prospect pool by trading away an unprotected 1st. Mtl fans getting griddy.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Wow: restock the prospect pool by trading away an unprotected 1st. Mtl fans getting griddy.

Florida is 5-2 in their last 7.

 

[pth2]

Colorado had hardly any picks to offer this year. What about something like...

Monahan @50% + 3rd and 4th round pick for Colorado 1st unprotected? They get two picks back to help restock the cupboard a bit.

If they want to keep that first, they don't really have any draft capital until 2025. So if not the first proposal what about...

Monahan @50% for Col 2025 1st (top 16 protection)?

I'd think something like Monahan for a conditional 1st/2nd/3d and a 4th.
The 4th is for retention.
The conditional pick depends on how many games Monahan plays.... the exact conditions would be hard to pin down but I think there's potential in this framing. And with everyone on "Bedard watch", I don't think anyone will make the same mistake Florida made when dealing an unprotected 1st.

 

[waitin425]

Wow: restock the prospect pool by trading away an unprotected 1st. Mtl fans getting griddy.

By restock I was talking about their young prospect depth. They won't be drafting many players in the next three years. Two lesser pick plus a 2C for one better pick helps to give them some youth.

I don't know what griddy means, but I saw someone do that dance in sports. Don't get it.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Colorado had hardly any picks to offer this year. What about something like...

Monahan @50% + 3rd and 4th round pick for Colorado 1st unprotected? They get two picks back to help restock the cupboard a bit.

If they want to keep that first, they don't really have any draft capital until 2025. So if not the first proposal what about...

Monahan @50% for Col 2025 1st (top 16 protection)?

Calgary gave you guys a 1st to take him for free, and he lasted a whole 25 games before he got hurt, and you think he's now worth a 1st?

 

[YP44]

was he not just put on LTIR?

 

[waitin425]

Calgary gave you guys a 1st to take him for free, and he lasted a whole 25 games before he got hurt, and you think he's now worth a 1st?

Your point is well taken. The injury concern is obviously huge. When he has been in the lineup for us, he has absolutely been a very solid addition.

He has been good enough, that unless it is a 1st, I'm not so sure it makes sense for us. He could come back next year, sign a sweet 3-4 million dollar deal with some moderate term, and earn every single dollar. Or he could get injured again. Whatever risk you feel is appropriate, but my value is not that far off.

 

[pth2]

Calgary gave you guys a 1st to take him for free, and he lasted a whole 25 games before he got hurt, and you think he's now worth a 1st?

We took on the cap-hit and lost flexibility, the risk seems to pay off since his hip issues seem resolved and his foot issue is unrelated. That being said, there,s a reason I'm suggesting a conditional deal. If he gets hurt again and doesn't contribute much, Colorado won't have given up much, either.

was he not just put on LTIR?

Yes, but he could be back in a week, I think he was put on LTIR retroactively back to when he got injured. If he'd come back faster, he'd never have needed LTIR. Keep in mind my assumptions in the original post.

 

[ManofSteel55]

That aint gonna cut it chief if AVS have any thought of contending this year in Mack's final year on a sweetheart deal.

The West is wide open this year. The Aves not having a 2c is a huge hole to fill, even if Monahan isn't a perfect 2C. Makes them a lot more dangerous.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Hard to buy Monahan getting a 1st in any form with Horvat and O'Reilly, 22-23 stats be damned, potentially out there. Toews may be more attractive to some clubs too.

 

[pth2]

The first article simply references the second. And the second is not a rumor or link, it's a fantasy speculative fit article. Using the term "linked" is deliberately deceptive. It might happen, but this is not a rumor or an actual link, it's just a dude's trade proposal.

Fair enough. It's still informed speculation, though.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I like how the link doesn't even go directly to LeBrun...

Nowhere in this thread is there an actual quote or link to LeBrun linking the Avs to Monahan...

Anyway. The Avs will be aiming quite a bit higher then Monahan.


They also aren't going to move a 1st round pick for a rental. They've never done such a thing. They target guys who will give them more then 1 playoff run similar to how Tampa targets its deadline players.

 

[BB88]

Don’t like Colorados chances if Monahan is the new 2C

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Your point is well taken. The injury concern is obviously huge. When he has been in the lineup for us, he has absolutely been a very solid addition.

He has been good enough, that unless it is a 1st, I'm not so sure it makes sense for us. He could come back next year, sign a sweet 3-4 million dollar deal with some moderate term, and earn every single dollar. Or he could get injured again. Whatever risk you feel is appropriate, but my value is not that far off.

If the asking price includes a 1st, then your value is far off for a guy who realistically is more of a 3C on any team hoping to contend. Best I'd offer would be a 3rd, and if that doesn't get it done, oh well.

 

[nightonthesun]

I would not mind bringing in Monahan for the right price, but for him, it can not be a first. You either package that up for a stronger player with a little more term left, or you hang onto it because your prospect pool is Olausson and a bunch of tumbleweeds

 

[Scintillating10]

So apparently Lebrun has linked Sean Monahan to Colorado, and it does make sense as a rental #2 center. Colorado is likely very familiar with Monahan since he's spent more of his career in their conference.

NHL Trade Chatter: Canadiens Monahan Still Linked To Avalanche

It’s no secret the Montreal Canadiens will be weighing the possibility of moving Sean Monahan at the NHL Trade Deadline, with one team, in particular, continuing to come up in trade chatter. The Colorado Avalanche are looking to get their shopping endeavours moving and don’t necessarily have the...

montrealhockeynow.com

LeBrun: Trade deadline matchmaking for Ryan O'Reilly, Patrick Kane, Sean Monahan and more

Pierre LeBrun has the perfect team matches for six of the top players on the NHL trade market.

theathletic.com

I'm assuming:
-50% retention
-Monahan gets enough games in before the deadline to reassure everyone that he's healthy (though ongoing injury risk is a legit concern).
-Colorado plays well enough that their playoff status doesn't seem to be in doubt.

I'm wondering, what would Colorado offer ? They have no 2nd rounders for the next 2 years, so going for a "conditional pick" approach where the pick goes up in value depending on Monahan staying healthy becomes harder to figure out.

Thoughts ?

I was thinking other day Habs might keep Monahan on LTIR and rent out his caphit. Caproom at a premium this deadline. Many teams up against it

I would guess a 2nd rounder back to Montreal 50% retained? Habs could rent out his other 3.25m caphit. But Monahan's whole 6.5m caphit right now would bring a lot.

 

[BLNY]

was he not just put on LTIR?

That was Armia, Evans and Slafkovsky.

 

[Colezuki]

I like how the link doesn't even go directly to LeBrun...

Nowhere in this thread is there an actual quote or link to LeBrun linking the Avs to Monahan...

Anyway. The Avs will be aiming quite a bit higher then Monahan.


They also aren't going to move a 1st round pick for a rental. They've never done such a thing. They target guys who will give them more then 1 playoff run similar to how Tampa targets its deadline players.

I don’t think many Canadiens fans expect a 1st for monahan for what’s it’s worth. More likely a backup plan for Colorado if horvat falls through. I think it’d be a second with conditions to be a 1st if they win

 

[John Mandalorian]

Hard to buy Monahan getting a 1st in any form with Horvat and O'Reilly, 22-23 stats be damned, potentially out there. Toews may be more attractive to some clubs too.

It's just as likely to be someone with term. Last year when Sakic made the trade for Lehkonen, he emphasized the importance of Lehkonen being a RFA so he can keep him beyond one year.