You clearly like stealing better than paying the price of the product.
If you don't like the prices of the NHL, you can pay for the NFL, MLB, NBA or overseas soccer leagues to watch instead.
You might be out of your depth in this discussion because you keep bringing up cord-cutting and cable subscriptions. I have already stated you don't need a cable subscription to watch NHL hockey legally in Canada. Cord-cutting refers to no longer subscribing to cable or satellite. The cord is the cord from your tv provider to your tv.
And what if someone just wants to watch The Mandalorian and not the rest of the Disney+ programming? Should he be complaining that he should be able to watch it a la carte or else justify stealing it?
I'm a Yankee fan. My wife is a Cubs fan. We buy MLB Extra Innings, and have absolutely no issue with paying for it.
It absolutely infuriates us that for 19 Yankee games, we're forced to watch them on the Orioles channel.
And for 31 Cubs games, can't watch the Cubs broadcasters.
Just seems ridiculous, because the "local ads" during those 50 games have absolutely nothing to do with Charlotte.
The monopoly exists in the NHL's exclusive agreement with cable providers to be the sole channel through which a person can access NHL hockey. I can't think of a single comparable to that in the grocery model. It would be like if you could only buy olive oil at one store because the olive farmers contract exclusively with that store. "Well there are other oils..." I don't care, I want olive oil. I don't want to pay $500 a gallon for it, purely to feed a price-fixing scheme.
What happens in this dynamic is that the black market assumes the role of creating market efficiencies. The cable companies exploited their position in order to corner the market, then promptly engaged in anti-competitive practices (ex: holding Canes broadcasts hostage so that I'm forced to buy QVC). Well, now they're competing against a black market that offers the product for free. Guess what's gonna happen as a result? The cable industry is going to hemhorrage money until they go back to behaving competitively, just as their counterparts in the music industry did 20 years ago.
At the end of the day, this process will happen as a matter of due economic course. It's no more of a moral dilemma than bootlegging during Prohibition.
Piracy isn't stealing and never will be no matter how hard you pretend it is.You don't like the prices so you're going to steal? I don't see how the NHL catering to people who like to steal is going to help the NHL. Do grocery stores offer special bundles/prices for shoplifters?
Even if the NHL offered a Senators only package, there's a good chance you would say it was too expensive and you'd continue to steal.
My parents just moved here last September and my dad is a big Mets fan. So he ran into the thing with the Mets, rather than the Cubs. I understand the Braves thing, like I said. To a small degree, I get the Orioles thing (closest AL team) and maybe even the Nationals thing. But the Reds? What the hell is that?
A monopoly is not an agreement Anyone who has taken a half-decent economics course would know that.
As for the grocery store analogy, I can only buy Jamie Oliver branded products at Sobeys-owned stores. Your olive oil analogy fails because the NHL is not the only hockey you can watch nor is it the only major league sport you can watch.
Your black market analogy works about as well as saying that luxury watch makers like Rolex are going to have to lower their prices because the black market is producing nearly identical watches for much cheaper.
Equating not wanting to pay the market rate for a product to buying a product that has been criminalized is silly. One is disagreeing with a stupid law while the other is being cheap.
Definition of stealPiracy isn't stealing and never will be no matter how hard you pretend it is.
I think too many people are spouting off without reading the article.This isn't about values, it's about the cold hard reality of how markets work. The cable companies deliberately cornered and exploited the market during a time when they had monopolistic access to the product and the delivery vehicle. That dynamic changed when household streaming entered the market. The cable companies, rather than adjusting to the new reality, have attempted to suppress that reality by making the market more and more inefficient in order to prop up their obsolete business model. The result, inevitably, is a new market efficiency that will now put them out of business if they don't adjust.
Sorry it offends your values, but it's a reality.
I need to correct something specific, but there's a whole bunch of corrections needed in this thread:
I think too many people are spouting off without reading the article.
So while many may believe the above business process is how everything went down (and it's not), how is it that Fox Sports had to come to an agreement with the NHL in order to livestream back into the local market or how Comcast had to come to an agreement with the NHL in order to livestream back to the local market?
It's not the cablers nor the satellite companies (the traditional MVPD's) that are holding up livestreaming sports locally.
You are correct It's still stealingDefinition of steal
(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
2: to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3: to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive verb
1a: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully stole a car
b: to take away by force or unjust meansthey've stolen our liberty
c: to take surreptitiously or without permission steal a kiss
Definition of piracy
1: an act of robbery on the high seasalso : an act resembling such robbery
2: robbery on the high seas
3a: the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
b: the illicit accessing of broadcast signals
Shame on you HynhPiracy isn't stealing and never will be no matter how hard you pretend it is.
I'm a Yankee fan. My wife is a Cubs fan. We buy MLB Extra Innings, and have absolutely no issue with paying for it.
It absolutely infuriates us that for 19 Yankee games, we're forced to watch them on the Orioles channel.
And for 31 Cubs games, can't watch the Cubs broadcasters.
Just seems ridiculous, because the "local ads" during those 50 games have absolutely nothing to do with Charlotte.
And it's still not understood...The issue is that you can't GET Fox without a cable subscription. Not even on their digital streaming platform. If I want to watch Fox Sports GO, I have to log in through a cable provider.
Does the cable operator give me the option to pay for ONLY that one channel so I can log in and access the product? No. They make me buy dozens, literally dozens of channels that I have absolutely no need or desire to buy, spending thousands of dollars a year on a product that objectively is worth maybe $100. That's the crux of the issue here.
I'm sure Fox would be perfectly happy to take my $100 and cut the cable company out of that picture, but doing so would invite crippling retaliation so they won't do it.
Here: Fox came to an agreement with the NHL, and all of a sudden the 12 teams where they have local rights agreements can be streamed in-market via other platforms - it wasn't one team at a time, the NHL controlled the in-market streaming rights.
I never said piracy is morally or legally right. Conflating taking a DVD from a store with sending a Super Mario Bros. ROM from one phone to another over bluetooth is needlessly deferential to the corporations that rewrote the laws to their own benefit while destroying the public domain.Definition of steal
(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
2: to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3: to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive verb
1a: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully stole a car
b: to take away by force or unjust meansthey've stolen our liberty
c: to take surreptitiously or without permission steal a kiss
Definition of piracy
1: an act of robbery on the high seasalso : an act resembling such robbery
2: robbery on the high seas
3a: the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
b: the illicit accessing of broadcast signals
I had it last year.If you have a Smart TV or a Gaming System, you should get MLBTV instead of Extra Innings. The MLB Premium plan is $170 and gives you HOME/AWAY feeds for every game (except National TV exclusives). You can watch on a laptop, smart phone, or the app on most Smart TVs or an app on XBox/PS4.
I had it last year.
I still got slapped with blackouts for Nationals and Orioles games in Raleigh despite not having those channels to watch.
Yeah I bought Extra Innings through Spectrum and it came with MLB.TV as well. I could not stream or watch any games involving the Orioles or Nationals last year due to "local" blackout rules, despite those teams being multiple states away with no local broadcast available.Yes. He doesn't know what he's talking about. If you buy Extra Innings through DirecTV, you get MLBtv as part of the deal. The blackouts are the same.
If you have a Smart TV or a Gaming System, you should get MLBTV instead of Extra Innings. The MLB Premium plan is $170 and gives you HOME/AWAY feeds for every game (except National TV exclusives). You can watch on a laptop, smart phone, or the app on most Smart TVs or an app on XBox/PS4.
No, they cannot. Carolina is one of those markets and I am telling you, a cable subscription is required to access the content. If there was a way to get around it, that’s exactly what I would be doing right now. But it is required.
I have been able to watch Hurricanes games with a VPN and NHL.tv, but I'm also only doing that for 4-5 games per year when they play the Rangers... not every game.