Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[socko]

And I don't believe that line would function well either. Matthews is doing so well with Bert and Domi because they do the things he needs done. Forecheck, grind, cycle, get him the puck.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Is it against the law for us to ice a line of Marner - Matthews - Nylander? It'd be fun to see if we were trailing in the 3rd.

They have done this lots of times when trailing

 

[Antropovsky]

More accurately, Marner gets the puck, opens up space, outwaits the block, and then with no better options, makes a good pass to an open Tavares in front of the net, who not only gets a tip on net right in between the pad and the glove that almost goes in, but gets a rebound as well. Probably the best chance of the PP.

No better options? He had the entire shift to move the puck to a teammate....and 3 of his teammates were wide open for the duration of the shift. Instead he decided to go for a solo skate and held onto the puck until all good options all but disappeared or maybe he didn't see the options because he was too busy skating.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

And I don't believe that line would function well either. Matthews is doing so well with Bert and Domi because they do the things he needs done. Forecheck, grind, cycle, get him the puck.

We need 3 producing lines in playoffs .. every single pro team can shutdown 1 line pretty easy especially at home .. and on a per game basis it is rare when 3 lines are all going full guns in same game .. breaking up Matty Mitch and Willy to 3 lines is required to advance in playoffs .. JT and Willy game is oil and water .. Willy needs to play at speed so Holmberg and Jankrok are perfect for him .. it kinda sucks for Mitch to have to play with JT but that's where we are at now .. McMann provides forecheck and net front presence and some speed to help them out .. folks it needs to work we NEED 3 lines

 

[Dekes For Days]

No better options? He had the entire shift to move the puck to a teammate....and 3 of his teammates were wide open for the duration of the shift. Instead he decided to go for a solo skate and held onto the puck until all good options all but disappeared or maybe he didn't see the options because he was too busy skating.

There were no better options. All of his teammates were not wide open, and the ones that were were in positions much worse than in front of the net. He could have regrouped and wasted time, but that doesn't seem like a good idea considering what was available. He made a good play and we got a tipped shot and a rebound out of it from in front of the net, for the best chance of the PP. It's mind-boggling that you're attempting to claim it as a negative.

 

[Antropovsky]

The fact that he came out of the gate slowly makes it more impressive. I would still be in favour of a change to the core if we do not see better playoff results than last year but we know the Leafs won't.

If your impressed with Marner, you better be very impressed with Domi. Domi is as productive as Marner 5vs5, but Domi has played 500 less mins with Matthews than Marner has.

2.73 points/60 Domi 206 mins with Matthews
2.75 points/60 Marner 700 mins with Matthews
1.91 points /60 Bertuzzi 304 mins with Matthews
1.93 points/60 Tavares 42 mins with Matthews
3.01 Points/60 Matthews
2.36 points/60 Nylander 266 mins with Matthews

 

[Antropovsky]

There were no better options. All of his teammates were not wide open, and the ones that were were in positions much worse than in front of the net. He could have regrouped and wasted time, but that doesn't seem like a good idea considering what was available. He made a good play and we got a tipped shot and a rebound out of it from in front of the net, for the best chance of the PP. It's mind-boggling that you're attempting to claim it as a negative.

So you are of the impression, that the entire time Marner had possession of the puck in the zone there were no teammates wide open? It's 5 vs 4 and Marner literally has a defender drapped all over him. Do the math. Reilly is about as wide open as it gets for the entire shift. Matthews is also an option.

Who knows why Marner decides to go one vs one on a damn powerplay.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So you are of the impression, that the entire time Marner had possession of the puck in the zone there were no teammates wide open?

There were teammates open for portions of time that were worse options than what he did - which resulted in a good chance with a tip and rebound in front of the net.

 

[Antropovsky]

There were teammates open for portions of time that were worse options than what he did - which resulted in a good chance with a tip and rebound in front of the net.

How do you know what would've transpired had he passed the puck? The leafs just gained the zone, and had over 1 min left of pp time. Better yet...why don't you explain to everyone what would've happened?

Would you be willing to help me with purchasing some lottery tickets?

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner has been good since coming bqck

Had 76 in 62 when he was injured

Now 84 in 67

8 pts in 5 games. Playing 5v5 with Tavares, McMann, and sometimes nylander

If him and Nylander can dominate L2 and L3 it opens up our offense so much

A team can shut down 2 of the 3 lines but shutting down all 3 seems impossible

 

[Dekes For Days]

How do you know what would've transpired had he passed the puck?

We don't know what would have happened had he done something different. We do know that there weren't better options during that stretch of time, and it was more than reasonable to take the opportunity he did, which resulted in a good chance.

 

[thusk]

No better options? He had the entire shift to move the puck to a teammate....and 3 of his teammates were wide open for the duration of the shift. Instead he decided to go for a solo skate and held onto the puck until all good options all but disappeared or maybe he didn't see the options because he was too busy skating.

matthews had a pretty bad angle to shot and nylander when passing lane was there, it would be a long distqnce shot... unstead they find someone all alone in the slot most more dangerous than any other play he could do. You blaming marner to created a great scoring chance unstead of passing to an open man who had probably at best 1 of 2% of scoring and would recquire a perfect shot or gift from reimer. thats just a joke

the fact you get player open doesn't mean its the right play to do.

 

[ToneDog]

If your impressed with Marner, you better be very impressed with Domi. Domi is as productive as Marner 5vs5, but Domi has played 500 less mins with Matthews than Marner has.

2.73 points/60 Domi 206 mins with Matthews
2.75 points/60 Marner 700 mins with Matthews
1.91 points /60 Bertuzzi 304 mins with Matthews
1.93 points/60 Tavares 42 mins with Matthews
3.01 Points/60 Matthews
2.36 points/60 Nylander 266 mins with Matthews

Yeah I was critical of Domi's lack of goals and wanted him to be played with more skilled players. He is now playing a bigger role on the team and allows us not to have to play Marner on the top line with Matthews. Same with Bert and the PP.

 

[Antropovsky]

matthews had a pretty bad angle to shot and nylander when passing lane was there, it would be a long distqnce shot... unstead they find someone all alone in the slot most more dangerous than any other play he could do. You blaming marner to created a great scoring chance unstead of passing to an open man who had probably at best 1 of 2% of scoring and would recquire a perfect shot or gift from reimer. thats just a joke

the fact you get player open doesn't mean its the right play to do.

Again... why does a shot have to occur on the next play? Is only one pass allowed to be made before a shot happens? When did this rule change happen?

 

[Antropovsky]

We don't know what would have happened had he done something different. We do know that there weren't better options during that stretch of time, and it was more than reasonable to take the opportunity he did, which resulted in a good chance.

Uhh lol what did I just read? He had plenty of options to pass to open teammates, which you agreed on in your previous post. You now have agreed that we don't know what would've happened if he passed it.... but you're still saying that you know that his shot was the better option?

You do realized you just wrote a paragraph indicating the vary same thing as you did last time?

Again... if you know that his shot was the best option.... then..

Will you help me choose my lottery numbers?

 

[thusk]

Again... why does a shot have to occur on the next play? Is only one pass allowed to be made before a shot happens? When did this rule change happen?

that the play leafs doing over 99% of the time and play rvery drfrnsive waiting from the leafs. Why do you think that the 1000th time will be bettet than the previous 999 time who didn't work?

Marner forced wings to followed him, that movement create confusion with wings boxes and created a hole in the middle of the boxes and created a great scoring chance.

if he would pass to matthews or nylander because they was open, wings was still in great possession to defend, they will just move the boxes and none of matthews or nylander would necessairly had a passing lane or good shooting lane.

Marner created something with absolutly nothing and bring a high scoring chance right on the slot who could easily result on a goal... but it was not the right play because he didn't made the same play who didn't work for leafs since like 2 month!!!!

to score on pp specifically in the playoff, you need to be able to reach player on dangerous zone and thats exactly whats marner did. Its not by keeping the puck over and over again to the open men on the outside than you will create something against good defensive team and goaltender in playoff!!!

 

[Antropovsky]

that the play leafs doing over 99% of the time and play rvery drfrnsive waiting from the leafs. Why do you think that the 1000th time will be bettet than the previous 999 time who didn't work?

Marner forced wings to followed him, that movement create confusion with wings boxes and created a hole in the middle of the boxes and created a great scoring chance.

if he would pass to matthews or nylander because they was open, wings was still in great possession to defend, they will just move the boxes and none of matthews or nylander would necessairly had a passing lane or good shooting lane.

Marner created something with absolutly nothing and bring a high scoring chance right on the slot who could easily result on a goal... but it was not the right play because he didn't made the same play who didn't work for leafs since like 2 month!!!!

to score on pp specifically in the playoff, you need to be able to reach player on dangerous zone and thats exactly whats marner did. Its not by keeping the puck over and over again to the open men on the outside than you will create something against good defensive team and goaltender in playoff!!!

You say he created something out of nothing. You aren't going to get a better zone entry to set up a powerplay then that one lol. If that's nothing then teams might as well forfeit their powerplays.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He had plenty of options to pass to open teammates, which you agreed on in your previous post. You now have agreed that we don't know what would've happened if he passed it.... but you're still saying that you know that his shot was the better option?

He had options to make passes to people in worse positions, or waste time. Those were his alternative options. Obviously we don't know what every hypothetical would have eventually led to, but we do know that passing to an open player in front of the net is the action most likely to result in a goal out of those options, we know that it was an action that was worth taking, and we know that we got a good tip and rebound and best overall chance of the PP because of it. We know that there is no reason to criticise it.

 

[thusk]

You say he created something out of nothing. You aren't going to get a better zone entry to set up a powerplay then that one lol. If that's nothing then teams might as well forfeit their powerplays.

1- Marner making like 75 to 80% of leafs entry on 1st wave because he's the best leafs player to do it

2- The important thing in zone entry is being able to ebatiblish your attack to make something happen. so when you are in offensive zone in possession and etablish your team system, you are not in a zone entry anymore. So that play your syart to talking about is not about zone entry but about what they did to break the penalty kill boxes and what he did is to split the boxes and created a hole right in the middle with a high scoring chance. I dont know how you can only talk about the play who gave up the best scoring chance on that pp.

 

[Antropovsky]

He had options to make passes to people in worse positions, or waste time. Those were his alternative options. Obviously we don't know what every hypothetical would have eventually led to, but we do know that passing to an open player in front of the net is the action most likely to result in a goal out of those options, we know that it was an action that was worth taking, and we know that we got nba good tip and rebound and best overall chance of the PP because of it. We know that there is no reason to criticise it.

Well there you have it, the hfboard fan knew that any other play would've been a waste of time... no point in the 1st pp unit passing the puck or spending any addition time of their >1 minute remaining on a better opportunity, it wasn't going to come. @Dekes For Days could tell that no other play would become available.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Well there you have it, the hfboard fan knew that any other play would've been a waste of time... no point in the 1st pp unit passing the puck or spending any addition time of their >1 minute remaining on a better opportunity, it wasn't going to come. @Dekes For Days could tell that no other play would become available.

You realize you're just going to go in the "logic' spin cycle with this guy right? Why waste your time with him? No one else does.

 

[thusk]

Well there you have it, the hfboard fan knew that any other play would've been a waste of time... no point in the 1st pp unit passing the puck or spending any addition time of their >1 minute remaining on a better opportunity, it wasn't going to come. @Dekes For Days could tell that no other play would become available.

better opportunity than hit a guy all alone in the slot, what are you waiting for as a scoring chance ? An empty net/ goalie out of position ?!?!?!


Mcdavid and mackinnon doing it , they're god master. Marner doing the same exact thing, he's trash and was making an awful play and just forced reimer to make a great save... Welcome to Toronto!!!! keep the puck, using their agility and skating on space to create passing lane and hit a guy open in the slot for deflect or rebound, its kind of play player like mcdavid, mackinnon doing over and over again, they should be fool!!!

 

[Antropovsky]

better opportunity than hit a guy all alone in the slot, what are you waiting for as a scoring chance ? An empty net/ goalie out of position ?!?!?!


Mcdavid and mackinnon doing it , they're god master. Marner doing the same exact thing, he's trash and was making an awful play and just forced reimer to make a great save... Welcome to Toronto!!!! keep the puck, using their agility and skating on space to create passing lane and hit a guy open in the slot for deflect or rebound, its kind of play player like mcdavid, mackinnon doing over and over again, they should be fool!!!

Mcdavid does it huh? Interesting... here are 60 goals by Mcdavid last season. You won't find any goal that remotely resembles the Marner play. Wow 60 goals and none similar.
- Mcdavid never skates into the offensive zone, does a 180 and goes towards the blueline.
- he also never turns his back on the goalies net while in the offensive zone. If he receives the puck with his back to the net he quickly faces and attacks the net.
- he never shoots a weak wrister from above the hashmarks either.
- he never fades away from the net and sends a shot towards the goal

Nothing in all 60 goals looks like what we see Marner do on the regular. In fact Marner only scored goals from 40 feet in last years playoffs, which are low percentage shots. None of Mcdavids 60 goals were from that region. Mcdavid is always facing the net and he's always attacking forward.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well there you have it, the hfboard fan knew that any other play would've been a waste of time... no point in the 1st pp unit passing the puck or spending any addition time of their >1 minute remaining on a better opportunity, it wasn't going to come. @Dekes For Days could tell that no other play would become available.

Now you're just misrepresenting what I said. Here is what I actually said:

"He had options to make passes to people in worse positions, or waste time. Those were his alternative options. Obviously we don't know what every hypothetical would have eventually led to, but we do know that passing to an open player in front of the net is the action most likely to result in a goal out of those options, we know that it was an action that was worth taking, and we know that we got a good tip and rebound and best overall chance of the PP because of it. We know that there is no reason to criticise it."

The 1st PP unit did not have another minute. They do not stay out the full 2 minutes. And taking a good chance when it is available does not prevent the rest of the PP from taking place, unless they score. Time efficiency is important in a time-limited event like a PP. "Well maybe something else could have eventually happened" is not a good justification for passing up a good chance.

 

[leafs in five]

Mcdavid does it huh? Interesting... here are 60 goals by Mcdavid last season. You won't find any goal that remotely resembles the Marner play. Wow 60 goals and none similar.
- Mcdavid never skates into the offensive zone, does a 180 and goes towards the blueline.
- he also never turns his back on the goalies net while in the offensive zone. If he receives the puck with his back to the net he quickly faces and attacks the net.
- he never shoots a weak wrister from above the hashmarks either.
- he never fades away from the net and sends a shot towards the goal

Nothing in all 60 goals looks like what we see Marner do on the regular. In fact Marner only scored goals from 40 feet in last years playoffs, which are low percentage shots. None of Mcdavids 60 goals were from that region. Mcdavid is always facing the net and he's always attacking forward.

you are something else