Prospect Info: Mikhail Grigorenko (2012, 12th) – '14-15: Rochester #25 (AHL) – Part 3: Reassigned
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We have high priced help whose job it is to evaluate players and make press announcements. I would be pissed if my coach thought he was the voice of the Sabres. He coaches. Just as Grigorenko has his job to do so does Nolan. I do NOT want him making public statements about players even if I agree-he is Not the GM, Asst GM, Director of player development, Player Consultant, President of Hockey Operations--he is entitled to his private opinion and should make it known to his bosses. The foreman should not be telling the media what he thinks of the workers...his tail should not be wagging his boss.....
Yeah, this is the thing that strikes me as the oddest in this whole thing: How far Ted Nolan is going in calling out one of the young players on the team publicly and why he is allowed to carry on like that in the media.
I think it's paramount for the organization that the interim label is kept firmly in place.
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I agree with this. Ted's outspokenness isn't helping anything, I think. Grigorenko needs to grow up, but at the same time, a smart organization would be doing what it can to make him feel valued despite the situation. Ted's calling him out in the media isn't doing that.
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I have to agree with those who are being critical of Nolan's comments.
I've harped on putting strong organizational structure in place during this debacle. And I was 100% against Grigorenko's actions. And backed the organization completely in its decision.
I'm perfectly fine with the coach having his input behind closed doors with the front office... but Grigorenko is NOT on his roster... and therefore he should shut the **** up. It's not his job right now. And he's doing nothing but stir the pot.
Just like Grigorenko needs to understand his place in the organization... so does Nolan.
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Part of a coaches job is to make public statements about their players. That's why they put a little podium up in a press room that he speaks at and answers questions at after games. That's why he get interviewed by media after practice.
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I was going to say the same thing.
If his boss doesn't want him commenting about a specific player move then they would tell him that. Then Nolan, could just say: you need to ask the GM about the player move.
Even better, if the GM wants to get out in front of it, he could speak to the media before his coach is slated to have his press conference.
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He was when the meeting happened and that is what a lot of this was about.
Also, have Murray and LaFontaine turned down requests to talk to the media about this? I haven't read any quotes from those guys.
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Everybody in the system is one of his players. He's Sabres' property, and Ted is the head coach. If he wants to talk about how he watched Ristolainen and Zadorov in the WJCs, you're telling me that's off limits? (For the record he did and said they played great.)
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In one of the interviews I heard from TM, he mentioned that he won't be taking much input from the coaches when it comes to player movement. Something along the lines of "what can you tell me that I don't already know".
I don't think an exception would be applied to Ted Nolan, of all people.
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As stated by others, it is the coach's job to talk about players and player moves to the press after practice. If Ted doesn't have a say on something, tough luck for him, but he still needs to speak for his boss/organization.
no.... no not at all. what a silly statement
Nolan is the head coach of the NHL roster.
It's the nature of the comments. It's Ted's ego showing.
There's a reason the Front Office separates itself from the coaching staff.
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No sillier than suggesting Nolan can't speak to a situation he was a part of while on the roster because now he's left the roster.
It is one of his jobs, yes. But not a limiting factor.
That's a guess on your part. For all anyone knows he could have Pat's and Tim's blessing to address the media about it any way he sees fit.
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zbubble
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Might I direct you to the podium he gives his after game press conferences at. He's also a spokesperson.
Based on recent events a much better thing for Ted Nolan to do would be to give a generic "We're happy he decided to report and are looking forward to following his development".
The stuff he said is completely unnecessary to take to the press and doesn't do anything but potentially sour the relationship even more. I think the unwillingness or inability to handle something like this more professionally is why Nolan ruffles feathers wherever he goes (allegedly).
I realize that this may not be the prevailing, or popular opinion at the moment.
But I believe that for as long as Ted Nolan remains the Sabres coach, there will be one tire fire after another. He has lots of good qualities. Most notably his blue collar, honest-day's-work-for-an-honest-day's-pay ethos that plays particularly well in a community like ours. But it's his not-so-good qualities that aren't so good. Ted Nolan's ideal team would have twelve fourth-line forwards, and six number-seven defenseman. He would get the most out of them. More than anyone else perhaps. And he would drive fourteenth-place talent to a ninth-place finish, or even squeak them into the playoffs. Then everyone would bow down, hail the job he did, and declare that only Teddy could get that much from his players. Yes, he can get fourth-liners to play like third-liners. Unfortunately, he's as intent on making first and second liners play like third-liners. That way, the focus—and the credit— stays where he believes it belongs. On him. And on the self-created folk-hero persona that defiantly rejects those trifling notions of working constantly to develop new strategy and tactics, of studying and analyzing video, of even knowing what team he's playing next. He's too resolutely old-school for all that nonsense. His way of doing things was good enough in 1955, so it must be good enough now. In a way, I wish that were so. I find that attitude as nostalgically appealing as anyone else. And if we want to content ourselves with having the "hardest working" ninth-place finishers in hockey, or even now-and-then the scrappiest first-round losers, then he's the man for the job. I guess that's better than what we've had the last few years. But I doubt that we could expect more. The ossification of his ideas is in proportion to the exultation of his ego.
But I believe that for as long as Ted Nolan remains the Sabres coach, there will be one tire fire after another. He has lots of good qualities. Most notably his blue collar, honest-day's-work-for-an-honest-day's-pay ethos that plays particularly well in a community like ours. But it's his not-so-good qualities that aren't so good. Ted Nolan's ideal team would have twelve fourth-line forwards, and six number-seven defenseman. He would get the most out of them. More than anyone else perhaps. And he would drive fourteenth-place talent to a ninth-place finish, or even squeak them into the playoffs. Then everyone would bow down, hail the job he did, and declare that only Teddy could get that much from his players. Yes, he can get fourth-liners to play like third-liners. Unfortunately, he's as intent on making first and second liners play like third-liners. That way, the focus—and the credit— stays where he believes it belongs. On him. And on the self-created folk-hero persona that defiantly rejects those trifling notions of working constantly to develop new strategy and tactics, of studying and analyzing video, of even knowing what team he's playing next. He's too resolutely old-school for all that nonsense. His way of doing things was good enough in 1955, so it must be good enough now. In a way, I wish that were so. I find that attitude as nostalgically appealing as anyone else. And if we want to content ourselves with having the "hardest working" ninth-place finishers in hockey, or even now-and-then the scrappiest first-round losers, then he's the man for the job. I guess that's better than what we've had the last few years. But I doubt that we could expect more. The ossification of his ideas is in proportion to the exultation of his ego.
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