Props to Sniper for the thread title.
I'm still mulling over the Xbox One X vs the One S.
My entire reason for wanting the Xbox is to play with buddies on Xbox. I won't use it that much, which has me leaning cheaper. However, the power of the One X is tempting at the same time.
And in 4 or 5 years those consoles will have some good games
Won't take long for next gen Xbox to have better games then this one
Mmmm. Everyone will probably have a 4k capable tv in a few years. The X may come down in price but if you don't own one already I would be hesitant to buy the S now.
At least build quality seems to be better this go around. My launch day version is still going strong.
Yes but will they have HDR?
I see so many 4K TV's for sale that are cheap. Like $399 for a 55" 4K. But there's no HDR. 4K without HDR is pointless and not real 4K and you cannot game or watch movies in 4K. Well, you can but it looks super washed out. The Xbox even yells at you if you try to game or watch a movie in 4K without HDR.
Not really.
HDR is the real deal
So, what should you take away from all this? First, 4K and HDR aren’t mutually exclusive — several 4K HDR TVs are already available, and the pair will come hand in hand going forward. Some sets do HDR much better than others, though. To get a good one right now, you have to go into $1,500-2,000 range. That’s not cheap.
Second, to be clear: It’s not like you absolutely shouldn’t buy a non-HDR 4K TV today. If you’re in a bind, feel free. Again, HDR is a high-end feature for now, it’ll be awhile before HDR content is widely accessible, and the premium 1080p TV is being phased out of existence.
Still, between the two, HDR is the real step forward. If you can wait for the HDR market to mature before making that next big TV purchase — or if you have the cash to get something good today — do so. It’s the buzzword worth buying into.
Yes but will they have HDR?
I see so many 4K TV's for sale that are cheap. Like $399 for a 55" 4K. But there's no HDR. 4K without HDR is pointless and not real 4K and you cannot game or watch movies in 4K. Well, you can but it looks super washed out. The Xbox even yells at you if you try to game or watch a movie in 4K without HDR.
There are also TV's with **** HDR so even then it isn't that simple. The best option, though flawed, is the same one as it's always been. Go to the store and look at the panels when they're running.
I don't see how looking at a TV running and deciding which one you like is a flawed option. Everyone is going to be different. More importantly is the HDR for the power. I have never seen a 4K without HDR next to one with HDR and think 'Wow, that's some crappy HDR there.' Maybe they exist but all HDR TV's I have seen and used have been great and noticeably better than non HDR 4K TV's. Not even close, its obvious - in my opinion.
Never heard this and not my experience at all. HDR looks better and is brigher / way better colors no matter what the environment. HDR has "real" blacks and dark colors so maybe that's what you are talking about? Because without HDR 4k is SEVERLY washed out and the backlights will light up dark colors and black colors. I have never heard anyone say HDR looked worse than non HDR in a brighter room though. That doesn't even really make sense considering how HDR works.The displays can look better or worse depending on settings. Some TV's advertise eco settgs and look worse because the eco settings are basically a trick that nobody would use just to get a rating, while the more expensive sets are calibrated to the best possible settings. This is pretty well known.
And I've seen plenty of crap HDR where the difference is barely discernible. It almost never looks as good as the demos on the LG TV's. Also, HDR is designed for dimly lit rooms, so it's not always better than non-HDR for regular viewing
Speaking of LG. That is the ACTUAL difference in quality right now. Their OLED panels are simply in another league right now.
HDR does not have "true blacks" whatever that means unless its OLED. LED panels need to keep the light turned, only OLED can completely turn off the pixels. The problem is only like two companies make OLED right now so you're gonna need to take out a second mortgage.
HDR is a pretty simple concept, cameras do something similar, and just like your camera, it doesn't always look better than regular picture. If you've got a very colorful image, it can make it look worse, and yes, HDR can make the image too dim in regular lighting. Its a common issue, look it up.
If someone is having issues with their TV depending on the lighting in the room it sounds like an issue with the TV or they don't have their settings set up correctly. That's not a resolution / HDR issue. That's a TV issue.
To you, to others the standard/standards is either flawed or not fully developed (or both I guess). I've seen plenty of cases where people prefer the non HDR mode of games or movies. If it needs tweaking to not make the image look worse then I dont see why you're not open to the possibility that its not the gamechanger you say it is. You can't even change certain settings on most if not all tvs with HDR on. Backlight and contrast are controlled by HDR.
HDR content preserves details in the darkest and brightest areas of a picture that are lost using old standards such as Rec.709. It also allows for more natural, true-to-life colors that are closer to how we see them in real life.
My 1.5 year old Sony has HDR. It will be difficult to find a 4K tv without HDR in the next year I would say. If people want to go that route I say that's their choice. You are still getting 4K even without HDR.
and no OLED's are not that crazy expensive anymore. Sony's last top tier LED still matched the OLED in black levels in testing and OLED's were lagging specifically in input lag at that time. I have not read any recent tests. Sony's 55 Inch OLED $3,499 which is not cheap but in line with top tier displays. I would still wait.
Being as this is the Xbox thread, it was never stated 4K HDR to take advantage of the system, just 4K.
The S doesn't play games in 4k at all.