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For all the Ranger fans, what exactly happened with MSG that caused Messier to go to Vancouver? And do you think that Gretzky was a cause of this to happen?
For all the Ranger fans, what exactly happened with MSG that caused Messier to go to Vancouver? And do you think that Gretzky was a cause of this to happen?
Messier was the backbone of that team, once he left the Rangers went down the toilet.
...and so did Messier.
I think the two had a bit of a co-dependent relationship going on, and had he stayed, the remainder of his career wouldn't have become such a joke.
More probably around 16-18 goals and 35 A´s.True. But maybe if Mess had stayed with the Rangers, he probably still would've given them high numbers (at least 30 goals and 40 assists) and the Rangers would've at leats made the playoffs a couple more times.
More probably around 16-18 goals and 35 A´s.
As a 40 year old Messier had a 24 goal, 67 point season without Gretzky.
I remember in an interview with Theo Fleury how he thought the Cannucks would be unstopable with Messier. He's not the only one ,however, as most people thought that. How come it didn't work out? I wasnt old enough to fully remember his time with Vancouver.
As a 40 year old Messier had a 24 goal, 67 point season without Gretzky.
It didn't work out because age really caught up with Messier, but his ego didn't allow him to think he wasn't as good as he used to be, and he had enough of a persona to basically get whatever he wanted.
I remember in an interview with Theo Fleury how he thought the Cannucks would be unstopable with Messier. He's not the only one ,however, as most people thought that. How come it didn't work out? I wasnt old enough to fully remember his time with Vancouver.
Well I know people assumed he and Bure would be an ultimate tandem. But this was Bure's last season in Vancouver and he wanted out. He was selfish that year and he might have scored the quietest 50 goal season ever for a guy as flashy as him. He was just dreadful without the puck that year, he didn't care.
Mogilny on the other hand was, well, Mogilny. We all know his inconsistencies throughout his career, 1998 was no different. The truth is in the summer of 1997 Fedorov was a free agent. Vancouver should have done whatever they could have to get him. Can you imagine those three on a line again, or just a team. Even if you kept Mogilny as a RW and put him on the 2nd line those three would have killed on the powerplay. If Vancouver does that, perhaps they keep the other two Russians happy.
Well I know people assumed he and Bure would be an ultimate tandem. But this was Bure's last season in Vancouver and he wanted out. He was selfish that year and he might have scored the quietest 50 goal season ever for a guy as flashy as him. He was just dreadful without the puck that year, he didn't care.
Mogilny on the other hand was, well, Mogilny. We all know his inconsistencies throughout his career, 1998 was no different. The truth is in the summer of 1997 Fedorov was a free agent. Vancouver should have done whatever they could have to get him. Can you imagine those three on a line again, or just a team. Even if you kept Mogilny as a RW and put him on the 2nd line those three would have killed on the powerplay. If Vancouver does that, perhaps they keep the other two Russians happy.
Vaancouver just offered big money for Messier (+ Keenan).
Yeah Gretzky being one of his best buddies was not the cause for him to leave. Even in his exit interview he stated that it hurt to leave for more reasons than just "Wayne". If anything, Gretzky's prescence would have given him more reason to mull it over.
I've never been a big fan of Neil Smith but maybe he saw something at the time that the rest of us didn't. Messier's career went down the gutter after 1997 and while some people wanted him on the Olympic team in 1998 guys like Smith saw the writing on the wall that he was on a clear decline. Smith was right, for once.
I remember in an interview with Theo Fleury how he thought the Cannucks would be unstopable with Messier. He's not the only one ,however, as most people thought that. How come it didn't work out? I wasnt old enough to fully remember his time with Vancouver.
also the prospect of getting joe sakic was also a factor. smith like everyone else at the time thought he could have sakic, because Colorado would never be able to match the offer. however we all know what became of that.
Well I know people assumed he and Bure would be an ultimate tandem. But this was Bure's last season in Vancouver and he wanted out. He was selfish that year and he might have scored the quietest 50 goal season ever for a guy as flashy as him. He was just dreadful without the puck that year, he didn't care.
Mogilny on the other hand was, well, Mogilny. We all know his inconsistencies throughout his career, 1998 was no different. The truth is in the summer of 1997 Fedorov was a free agent. Vancouver should have done whatever they could have to get him. Can you imagine those three on a line again, or just a team. Even if you kept Mogilny as a RW and put him on the 2nd line those three would have killed on the powerplay. If Vancouver does that, perhaps they keep the other two Russians happy.
I'm pretty sure 1997 was the summer that Carolina gave a huge frontloaded offersheet to Fedorov and Detroit matched. I can't see how they wouldn't have matched Vancouver.
also the prospect of getting joe sakic was also a factor. smith like everyone else at the time thought he could have sakic, because Colorado would never be able to match the offer. however we all know what became of that.
To clarify here:
Messier was signed by the Canucks before the Rangers offered Sakic the offer sheet. The main reason they did so was to replace Messier. First contract that truly inflated salaries of everyone:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070519022104/http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=99378&hubname=nhl